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Unread 27-02-2011, 23:09
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Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

Since we started programming like a week ago, we lost one jaguar. My teacher was driving and then the robot's right motor kept on going. The jaguar was still supplying an electric current but, no LED light.

What are some common reasons or experience in which your jaguar burned out?

*(comments/experience on victor burnouts?)
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

We've had several Jaguars burn out for no apparent reason -- no shorts, no fried FETs, no nothing, they just quit (or in two cases refused to supply more than about 4.5 volts). We've had two (including a black Jag this year) die right out of the box the moment they were powered.

The only time we've ever had a Victor 884 fail was when a mentor who didn't know what he was doing shorted across the FETs with a multimeter. (He blew the fuse in the multimeter as well!)
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

We have lost 3 this year, all black. We think one was to an aluminum shaving inside the case but we haven't opened it to look. The other two just stopped working during driver practice, they didn't over heat of anything. Hopefully we don't have this problem at regionals.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

As the previous poster mentioned, Jaguars are apparently quite sensitive to metal bits and pieces. Our team covers the electrical board with a cloth sheet before drilling/working on the chassis.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

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Our team covers the electrical board with a cloth sheet before drilling/working on the chassis.
We do the same.
Luckily, we've only lost one tan Jaguar this year, we think to a metal shaving, but we'll bring plenty of backups to the competition. Victors do seem more reliable certainly, but the Jaguars are more fancy and have more features. Ability for durability is the tradeoff I guess.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

Metal bits & static.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

I was just addressing ours and when I was done one died... no movement, not connected, it just decided it was done I guess.... o.o
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

1178 lost three this year: One tan one from someone wiring the battery in wrong, one tan one that mysteriously stopped working, and a black that due to a factory defect, actually caught on fire during a test (Video Below).

http://www.youtube.com/user/durt1178.../1/0BK6MG6mslo
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

You shouldn't see black jags fail unless abused. The grey jags usually die because of ESD.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

we lost 4 black jags and we covered while working on the robot. it was just plain bad... we saw a few fires and we saw a few no responses. good luck guys.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

We had one go out that was connected to a motor with a loose connector. Our EE surmised that the Jaguar did not like it's load cutting in and out due to the loose connection. We secured the motor connector and the replacement Jaguar held up for the rest of our pre-ship practices. We're careful about covering our electronics up if any metal cutting is going on.
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You shouldn't see black jags fail unless abused. The grey jags usually die because of ESD.
I wish this were true. 4 of the 6 Black Jaguars we ordered this year failed on us at some point. 2 of the 6 had broken LED's straight out of the box. The quality control on them seems to have gone down hill.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

Metal shavings can kill a jaguar fast!, Ways to prevent it are clean up after cutting and shield the motors while doing work on another part. But sometimes they just combust and one of the terminals can be faulty.( That's what happened to one of our brown jags.) Just have to take precautions with them due to the failure rate.
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Re: Losing Jaguars? What are the common reasons why it burns out?

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Metal shavings can kill a jaguar fast!, Ways to prevent it are clean up after cutting and shield the motors while doing work on another part. But sometimes they just combust and one of the terminals can be faulty.( That's what happened to one of our brown jags.) Just have to take precautions with them due to the failure rate.
we lost 2 or 3 Jags. The reason we figure that we are not be carefully when our guys working drilling metal shavings See picture.
I open all the Jaguars clean them by ear. They worked fine
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