2011 Team Update #2

[Chris is me]

I'm guessing this thread won't consist of 8 pages of complaints

Being able to use cylinders at our discretion is great. I'm happy. Though, I doubt my team will take advantage of the ruling.

[Stephen of REX]

Hmmm, can we use ANY pneumatic storage tank? I can think of some pretty huge ones that would meet the pneumatics safety requirements.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Stephen of REX

Hmmm, can we use ANY pneumatic storage tank? I can think of some pretty huge ones that would meet the pneumatics safety requirements.

But can you spare the weight?

Engineering is all tradeoffs.

[nighterfighter]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Engineering is all tradeoffs.

Trading?
What?
Stock market time!

[Stephen of REX]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

But can you spare the weight?

Engineering is all tradeoffs.

I believe that if we go with pneumatics, then if we end up a few pounds under the limit... AIR TANKS!

[Gary Dillard]

Oops - thanks to whoever closed my thread in the other forum; I didn't see this one when I hunted quickly - I should have searched.

[Nadav Zingerman]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

But can you spare the weight?

Engineering is all tradeoffs.

Also consider that bigger tanks take longer to pressurize.

[Chris Fultz]

I am not able to download the file. Anyone else having problems?

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

I am not able to download the file. Anyone else having problems?

I can't download it either.

[GaryVoshol]

I just opened it again, and it appears it would let me save it.

[Bjenks548]

Can anyone copy and paste the rule changes on this thead for thouse of us that can't open the pdf?

[Chris is me]

To sum it up:

Minibots must be deployed completely below the line.

<R66> now amended to include pneumatic cylinders and storage tanks of any sort.

<R92-O> now specifies "electrical hookup" wire (as opposed to metal wire that could be formed into springs, etc)

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Bjenks548

Can anyone copy and paste the rule changes on this thead for thouse of us that can't open the pdf?

Here you go:

Originally Posted by Update #2

Section 1 – Introduction & Section 2 – The Game
No change.

Section 3 – The Game
Section 3 – The Game, Rev B has been updated to include the following edits:
<G21> HOSTBOTS may only DEPLOY MINIBOTS onto their ALLIANCE‟S TOWERS and
entirely below the DEPLOYMENT LINE.
Violation: RED CARD
<G22> HOSTBOTS may not contact their ALLIANCE‟S MINIBOT once any part of it has
climbed above the DEPLOYMENT LINE. Violation: TOWER is disabled

Section 4 – The Robot
Section 4 – The Robot, Rev B has been updated to include the following edits (including
fixing the bullet letters in Rule <R66>):
<R66> In addition to the items included in the KOP, pneumatic system items specifically
permitted on 2011 FRC ROBOTS include the following items. All included items must be “off
the shelf” COTS pneumatic devices rated by their manufacturers for working pressure of at
least 125psi and burst pressure of 250psi, and used in their original, unaltered condition
(except as required for assembly with other components).
A. Pneumatic pressure vent plug valves functionally equivalent to those provided in the
KOP,
B. Solenoid valves with a maximum 1⁄8” NPT port diameter, and a maximum Cv of 0.32
(if non-KOP valves are used, the team will be required to provide part documentation
validating that the valves meet these constraints).
C. than 125psi rating mandated above are permitted, however if employed, an
additional pressure relief valve must be added to the low pressure side of the main
regulator. The additional relief valve must be set to a lower pressure than the
maximum pressure rating for the solenoid valve.
January 14, 2010D. Additional 0.160” inside diameter pneumatic tubing functionally equivalent to that
provided in the KOP, with the pressure rating clearly factory-printed on the exterior of
the tubing,
E. Pressure transducers, pressure gauges, and connecting fittings,
F. Pressure regulators with a maximum bypass pressure of no more than 60psi,
G. For the purposes of the FRC, a device that creates a vacuum is not considered to be
a pneumatic device and are not subject to the pneumatic rules (although they must
still satisfy all other appropriate rules). These include, but are not limited to; venturitype vacuum generators and off-the-shelf vacuum devices (as long as they are
powered by provided or permitted motors).
H. For the purposes of the FRC, closed-loop COTS pneumatic (gas) shocks are not
considered pneumatic devices, and are not subject to the pneumatic rules (although
they must still satisfy all other appropriate rules).
I. For the purposes of the FRC, air-filled (pneumatic) wheels are not considered
pneumatic devices, and are not subject to the pneumatic rules (although they must
still satisfy all other appropriate rules).
J. Pneumatic cylinders.
K. Pneumatic storage tanks.
<R91> The MINIBOT may not exceed a 12” x 12” x 12” volume and weigh no more than 15
lbs.
<R92-O> electrical hookup wire of appropriate gauge (see Rule <R40>),

Section 5 – The Tournament
No change.

Kit of Parts
The 2011 Kit of Parts Checklist, Rev B has been updated to include the following edits:
- The spelling of “Separate” has been corrected.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I'm guessing this thread won't consist of 8 pages of complaints.

Maybe not, but that's got to be the harshest red card ever. DQ'd for deploying your MINIBOT marginally too high?

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Maybe not, but that's got to be the harshest red card ever. DQ'd for deploying your MINIBOT marginally too high?

I agree Gary
I think they added the language and didn't look at the penalty

The penalty SHOULD be Red Card for deploying your minibot on a different tower and a standard tower disable for starting too high...

that would be much more fitting...

I think you SHOULD get a RED CARD for trying to mess up another team's shot at the minibot by deploying on the opponent's tower.

But for a slight discretion on your own tower you should just have the tower disabled...

Much more reasonable penalty...