Car Nack Predicts 2011-3

[Car Nack]

Car Nack Predicts

3. An alliance placing three Ubertubes on the top row will be a relatively rare occurrence. In fact it will not occur at some of the regional/district competitions.

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[dodar]

If you take into account both sides of the scoring racks: 3+0 I dont think we will ever see that combo, but 2+1/1+2 I can see happening in the eliminations in probably 75% of regionals.

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by dodar

If you take into account both sides of the scoring racks: 3+0 I dont think we will ever see that combo, but 2+1/1+2 I can see happening in the eliminations in probably 75% of regionals.

On the top row? I think that will be common as autonomous tubes were during the 2007 season. I would go further and state you won't see that in 75% of Einstein's matches.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

On the top row? I think that will be common as autonomous tubes were during the 2007 season. I would go further and state you won't see that in 75% of Einstein's matches.

Im not saying in each match, im saying that in atleast 1 match in the eliminations in 75% of regionals you will see the 2+1/1+2 combo on the top row.

[dag0620]

I think we'll see it, but as Car Nack said, only in champs, and it's going to be a let's do it just so it was done kinda thing. (ex: suspension last year )

[dodar]

Originally Posted by dag0620

I think we'll see it, but as Car Nack said, only in champs, and it's going to be a let's do it just so it was done kinda thing. (ex: suspension last year )

Actually, I think it would be quite the opposite. Suspension last year wasnt as high a bonus as scoring 3 high ubertubes is. Each tube is 6 points plus it doubles the tubes put on top of them. Suspension was only 2 points more than hanging, so this wont be a fad like suspension, it would be a gameplan.

[synth3tk]

Originally Posted by dodar

Im not saying in each match, im saying that in atleast 1 match in the eliminations in 75% of regionals you will see the 2+1/1+2 combo on the top row.

I highly doubt that, even in finals of most regionals. Consider how many teams may not have the capability to reach the top row, let alone write a successful autonomous mode to execute it.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by dag0620

I think we'll see it, but as Car Nack said, only in champs, and it's going to be a let's do it just so it was done kinda thing. (ex: suspension last year )

Except 3 Ubertubes will be incredibly dominant.

[Jonathan Norris]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

On the top row? I think that will be common as autonomous tubes were during the 2007 season. I would go further and state you won't see that in 75% of Einstein's matches.

Autonomous is much easier this year then in 2007, first of all the rack is stationary, in 2007 the scoring pegs moved and the rack was moved before the start of autonomous. And you are not aiming at a light with a camera that refused to work after small lighting changes. This year all you really need is line following and sensor to tell you how far away from the wall you are. I bet some teams will have successful autonomous by just dead reckoning it.

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris

Autonomous is much easier this year then in 2007, first of all the rack is stationary, in 2007 the scoring pegs moved and the rack was moved before the start of autonomous. And you are not aiming at a light with a camera that refused to work after small lighting changes. This year all you really need is line following and sensor to tell you how far away from the wall you are. I bet some teams will have successful autonomous by just dead reckoning it.

This point will define how you think the game will be played. this year the high peg is higher than it was in 2007. I think ubers on the high peg will be very hard to get.

A wise coach once told me during our rookie year (2007): if there was ever a game like 2007 again, the key to winning would be a simple scoring mechanism and going for the highest bonus. That is what I am pushing my team towards this year.

[JesseK]

Considering that a great deal of 2007's top-row placement designs simply do not work in 2011, I'll have to agree with this one. The bumper perimeter precludes any sort of open front, single-joint design that worked so well in 2007. Thus, teams wishing to get to the top will have to add a layer of complexity (compound lift system or 2-joint arm).

I think that in every single Einstein match there will be 3 Ubertubes on the top row of one or both alliances.

[Zuelu562]

Originally Posted by JesseK

Thus, teams wishing to get to the top will have to add a layer of complexity (compound lift system or 2-joint arm).

We're actually doing a double extension arm, which is very close to our bot for the Tetra game (don't remember year, wasn't around Robotics then). And as someone else said in the thread, we're probably going to dead reckoning it, because, well, that's more of a programming challenge then letting a sensor do it

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by JesseK

Considering that a great deal of 2007's top-row placement designs simply do not work in 2011, I'll have to agree with this one. The bumper perimeter precludes any sort of open front, single-joint design that worked so well in 2007.

Open front maybe, but single joint definitely not. It's very possible to build a stupidly simple arm this year. It's how Shaker plans to score reliably in autonomous.

[BrendanB]

I am going to say that we may never see 3 ubertubes on the top rack because why double another piece on one row when you can double the second row. I'm going to say that Einstein will have a lot of 2 on the top and one in the middle autos.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by BrendanB

I am going to say that we may never see 3 ubertubes on the top rack because why double another piece on one row when you can double the second row. I'm going to say that Einstein will have a lot of 2 on the top and one in the middle autos.

Ubertubes double peg scores, not row scores.