Scissor lift?

[Barngirl425]

My team was considering making a scissor lift as a scoring mechanism. We had some concerns though. Has any team made a sucessful scissor lift before? We have limited resources does anyone know the price of what it might cost to make one? What is the level of engineering this would take?

Thank you for any advice you have.

Amanda Cullen

[artdutra04]

It's generally very difficult to make scissor lifts "work", and when they do work they have many poor mechanical/kinematic qualities. They need to be light-weight to work decently, but it takes a lot of added weight to make them robust enough to actually work. It also takes a tremendous amount of force to start lifting them, as there is a very poor transmission angle.

Regular arms, four-bar arms, and forklift/telescoping elevators are all mechanically preferable to scissor lifts.

[J.Warsoff]

our team hasn't built one that i know of, but looking at schematics and pictures of scissor lifts, it might be a complex device to build. you would most likely need a lot of pneumatic parts, which can be large and heavy. if you can afford to leave that much space and add that much weight to your robot, then a scissor lift could work. you would have to make sure it is stable enough and that it can operate smoothly.

[Chris is me]

My team has three Design "Rules":
1. No Jaguars
2. No Suction Cups
3. No Scissor Lifts

In all seriousness, scissor lifts are pretty difficult to get working, especially at a reasonable weight compared to elevators or arms.

[J.Warsoff]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

My team has three Design "Rules":
1. No Jaguars
2. No Suction Cups
3. No Scissor Lifts

In all seriousness, scissor lifts are pretty difficult to get working, especially at a reasonable weight compared to elevators or arms.

i get #2 and #3, but what do you have against Jaguars?

[EOC]

Team 1208 built one in 2007. The lift materials cost about $300, it worked quickly and went to a height of 11 feet. We won an engineering award due to its design. That said, we are not building one this year despite the similarity of the game. Other designs were superior.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Aerosound

i get #2 and #3, but what do you have against Jaguars?

Mostly superstition and bad luck. We got a bad batch in 2009 and have generally had a bad time with them since. We like Victors a lot more due to their smaller footprint, lack of automatic overcurrent disablement, and general reliability.

The list, like any absolute in a design discussion, is a joke.

[J.Warsoff]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Mostly superstition and bad luck. We got a bad batch in 2009 and have generally had a bad time with them since. We like Victors a lot more due to their smaller footprint, lack of automatic overcurrent disablement, and general reliability.

The list, like any absolute in a design discussion, is a joke.

ah gotcha. we actually prefer the jaguars over victors. probably because we blew up a few victors last year

[1 Winged Angel]

Team 841 made one in 07. I was the one that did most of the building for it and was copilot that year so I was operating the lift during the games.

From what I remember, it ended up being expensive and rather heavy. It takes a lot of material to make one. During those games, we wanted to be able to score on the top goal pieces.

[kjohnson]

Originally Posted by artdutra04

It also takes a tremendous amount of force to start lifting them, as there is a very poor transmission angle.

My high school team 616 (no longer competes) created a successful scissor lift in 2005. It was powered by two Fisher-Prices motors that drove a lead screw. The amount of power needed to lift from starting position was so much that we propped each level of the lift up about an inch. And it was heavy, we were about 0.5lb under the weight limit. Picture attached below.

Originally Posted by Chris is me

My team has three Design "Rules":
1. No Jaguars
2. No Suction Cups
3. No Scissor Lifts

In all seriousness, scissor lifts are pretty difficult to get working, especially at a reasonable weight compared to elevators or arms.

Chris, just for you I've also attached a picture of our suction cups from 2004 in action...

[Dkt01]

Our team made one in '08 (overdrive). Long story short, our team won't likely make one again. There were many issues in making it function well.
It did, however, make one of our team's best-looking robots.

[Barngirl425]

Thank you so much for the information guys. We will not be building a scissor lift (My team now believes me) Thank you!

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Barngirl425

Thank you so much for the information guys. We will not be building a scissor lift (My team now believes me) Thank you!

Good call. For most teams, scissor lift CONS far outweigh the PROS.

-Brando

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Good call. For most teams, scissor lift CONS far outweigh the PROS.

-Brando

There is only one use I can ever see for a scissor lift in FRC, and that's a horizontal scissor lift with a cuckoo bird on the end that pops out when a Minibot hits the trigger. Sadly, the 12" cube means we'll probably never see this.

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by artdutra04

There is only one use I can ever see for a scissor lift in FRC, and that's a horizontal scissor lift with a cuckoo bird on the end that pops out when a Minibot hits the trigger. Sadly, the 12" cube means we'll probably never see this.

Haha, quite true!