Numpad on Driver Station?

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by sjspry

This seems to imply you could send automated information to the cRIO bypassing the driver station.

In addition to flaunting the rules, what purpose would be served by sending automated information from an operator console laptop to the cRIO. Why not just store the information on the cRIO in the first place?

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

In addition to flaunting the rules, what purpose would be served by sending automated information from an operator console laptop to the cRIO. Why not just store the information on the cRIO in the first place?

Here's a serious answer: it's a lot more convenient to modify a file on the laptop. You wouldn't have to power up the robot and have it online in order to make changes.

[sjspry]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

In addition to flaunting the rules, what purpose would be served by sending automated information from an operator console laptop to the cRIO. Why not just store the information on the cRIO in the first place?

... That was a serious suggestion (also, I wasn't flaunting the rules) ...

It's been said before about how hard it is to convey tone through text. And yeah, it's still hard. Regardless of the tone of my post, however, there is no reason which says I must respect the rules, only I must follow them: If I've read them and considered their purpose, I believe I have a valid claim to calling them ridiculous.

I would still suggest trying the virtual joystick software. In my opinion, it beats having to buy new hardware. Another thing I have a problem with is having to use the input devices they tell me to. I can understand them wishing all driver input to go through the station (though, as I said, it doesn't necessarily need to to remain safe), but restricting it to one type of input is absurd and restrictive.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by sjspry

... That was a serious suggestion (also, I wasn't flaunting the rules) ...

It's been said before about how hard it is to convey tone through text. And yeah, it's still hard. Regardless of the tone of my post, however, there is no reason which says I must respect the rules, only I must follow them: If I've read them and considered their purpose, I believe I have a valid claim to calling them ridiculous.

I would still suggest trying the virtual joystick software. In my opinion, it beats having to buy new hardware. Another thing I have a problem with is having to use the input devices they tell me to. I can understand them wishing all driver input to go through the station (though, as I said, it doesn't necessarily need to to remain safe), but restricting it to one type of input is absurd and restrictive.

And I was asking a serious question in response. Alan provided a perfectly valid answer that makes sense.

You can use any USB input device you want. You just have to write the custom USB driver to make it look like a HID joystick or gamepad to the Driver Station software.

[sjspry]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

And I was asking a serious question in response. Alan provided a perfectly valid answer that makes sense.

You can use any USB input device you want. You just have to write the custom USB driver to make it look like a HID joystick or gamepad to the Driver Station software.

And I was saying there's no reason why that should need to be done.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by sjspry

And I was saying there's no reason why that should need to be done.

So who should be writing the code to support arbitrary input devices if not the teams? How would you propose supporting arbitrary input devices while keeping the DS software closed source?

Note: This is a serious question, not sarcastic.

[sjspry]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

So who should be writing the code to support arbitrary input devices if not the teams?

This has nothing to do with code-writing. If I want some new input device, I have to buy something to use it, and probably some new hardware. If they'd remove rule 75, there'd be no problem (in relation to this post, he'd be able to use his numpad). Just have an inspector verify that nothing has a chance to move during the disabled stage (and no one would probably set it up this way, due to obvious reasons...)

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by sjspry

That's my point. If I want some new input device, I have to buy something to use it, and probably some new hardware.

A device driver is software that you write. You don't have to buy anything as far as I am aware.

[sjspry]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

A device driver is software that you write. You don't have to buy anything as far as I am aware.

If he wanted to use a numpad/keyboard, he'd have to buy a USB encoder and interface it to the encoder. And perhaps I wish to pre-interpret my USB device's data? There's no provisions for sending it to the robot after that.

[basicxman]

Originally Posted by sjspry

Just have an inspector verify that nothing has a chance to move during the disabled stage (and no one would probably set it up this way, due to obvious reasons...)

Even if you could find an inspector with the time, you would need a field to show him/her that. Pretty much every regional I've ever been to, the practice and competition fields are booked quite solid.

[sjspry]

It would be nice to test it in a field environment, but why wouldn't putting it on blocks and making sure the arm, etc, are cleared not be enough (and run it through a practice round)?

Sure, it could potentially be dangerous, but as long as no one's in the way and it can't move, it's just as good (they shouldn't have an insanely wide reach, anyway).