Car Nack Predicts 2011-4

[Car Nack]

Car Nack Predicts

4. There will never be a single top row logo over three ubertubes.

Car Nack has spoken.

[Duke461]

generally i agree with you, but this time, no way. that will most definitely happen

[Drivencrazy]

Makes sense with the zone being as narrow as it is with the autonomous lines spread between the two grids. I do think we'll see two top row logos over three ubertubes so its the same number of points.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

4. There will never be a single top row logo over three ubertubes.

This is interesting.

Generally speaking, scoring 3 tubes on the top row shouldn't be all that uncommon... But the odds of 3 tubes being placed on one set of top row pegs is a bit risky since there is a decent risk of an autonomous collision. Scoring like that would require a delay by at a least one of the robots to ensure that there is space for all of them to score.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by thefro526

This is interesting.

Generally speaking, scoring 3 tubes on the top row shouldn't be all that uncommon... But the odds of 3 tubes being placed on one set of top row pegs is a bit risky since there is a decent risk of an autonomous collision. Scoring like that would require a delay by at a least one of the robots to ensure that there is space for all of them to score.

I agree, but somewhere, there's going to be a match where it's three solid teams with good programming skills and they will be playing against a bad alliance, and they will be able to achieve it.

[hg273]

Originally Posted by Duke461

I agree, but somewhere, there's going to be a match where it's three solid teams with good programming skills and they will be playing against a bad alliance, and they will be able to achieve it.

The chance of an alliance pulling this off has nothing to do with the skill of the opposing alliance, it depends solely on the autonomous skill of the three robots.
I'm generally inclined to believe you, not because I think that the robots will be incapable of pulling it off, but because alliances will be more inclined to score three on the top level rather than risk only scoring two on one row of pegs.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by hg273

The chance of an alliance pulling this off has nothing to do with the skill of the opposing alliance, it depends solely on the autonomous skill of the three robots.
I'm generally inclined to believe you, not because I think that the robots will be incapable of pulling it off, but because alliances will be more inclined to score three on the top level rather than risk only scoring two on one row of pegs.

No, what he was saying that the opposing alliance wouldnt be much of a scoring threat so they could take the risk of missing 1 or 2 ubertubes to try for the 3 on one set.

[IndySam]

This will only happen if one team is able to place two ubertubes in autonomous.

[Chris is me]

There will be two top rows over three ubertubes, though. No reason they need to be in the same row.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by dodar

No, what he was saying that the opposing alliance wouldnt be much of a scoring threat so they could take the risk of missing 1 or 2 ubertubes to try for the 3 on one set.

Yes, that is what i was trying to say. We saw it last year. Whenever there was a good scoring team they abandoned defense and doubled up, or even tripled up in the offensive zone.

[dodar]

Well 1 row of 3 ubertubes underneath a logo is 54pts, whereas 1 row of 1 ubertube underneath a logo + 1 row of 2 ubertubes underneath a logo is over 80pts so it is not as many points but it would be fun to see

[Brandon Holley]

I kind of agree with Car Nack here.

Teams utilizing linetracking as a means to track the pegs will have to account for the 3rd team trying to score on the same set of pegs. Obviously there will be successful teams who do not utilize the line tracking and go straight for the pegs via dead reckoning or use of camera, it just seems like it will need a perfect set of events to get all 3 ubertubes across one top row.

-Brando

[Koko Ed]

Considering how so many teams have trouble making a decent autonomous mode this one is not surprising at all.
You really don't start seeing consistent autonomous excellence from most or all of the robots til the later rounds of the championship divisons and Einstien.

[delsaner]

I agree with a lot that has been said here, but I do not think that this occurrence is NEVER going to happen. I agree with the fact that consistent and successful autonomous modes are few and far between, and the fact that all three robots would have to have autonomous modes to reach the three pegs. If the autonomous mode Ubertube predicament can be overcome, I would be surprised is this task WASN'T accomplished.

From my perspective, it will probably occur as much as there were triple hangs last year. It is likely that it will not happen, but I would not be surprised if it happened.

[Bob Steele]

Given the difficulty of hitting the outside spots I am not sure why anyone would want to do this.
If you put two logos up ... (six across the top)
you end up with the same score as if you put three on one side and none on the other.

An uber tube scores 6 in autonomous anyway... no matter where it is placed...(on top row)

After that it only can double the tube that is on top of it.

So if you put up 2 logos....it makes no difference which tubes you doubled with the ubertube....

Given the relatively easy 6 points you get from the ubertube during autonomous....if you put it up on one of the lanes guided by the lines....Why chance trying for the end...???

Of course if you don't put 2 full logos up you lose the extra 3 points...you would have gotten from the LOGO double...

i would go for a sure 6 points anytime over a chance at the 3 points from the LOGO double.

I think you might see it ... but only from teams showing off their autonomous skills...

My opinion is that benefit to the risk is not enough to try it... If you have a team that can put up 2 logos during game play you net nothing.

Good luck in the game!!