toughest regional in 2011?

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I counted EI which is a banner award.

As of last year this isn't true.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

As of last year this isn't true.

Considering that it earns you a trip to the championship it should still count as a Blue Banner award.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Considering that it earns you a trip to the championship it should still count as a Blue Banner award.

Rookie All Star also does not give you a banner.

The BBQ is defined as things that give you a Blue Banner - I don't see why it should be less simple than that.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Rookie All Star also does not give you a banner.

The BBQ is defined as things that give you a Blue Banner - I don't see why it should be less simple than that.

Because it is almost like second place Chairmans and is still not an easy task to achieve!

[Chris is me]

Neither is Rookie All Star, or Regional Finalist...

The metric is named "Blue Banner Quotient" - using something other than blue banners with it is inaccurate and confusing.

[XaulZan11]

Question: Are we talking about toughest regional to win on the field with your robot, or toughest regional to win chairmans? If it is the former, using all blue banners is not the best idea. I think giving 2 points for winning regional and 1 point for finalist (or something similar) would lead to much more accurate results instead of counting something (chairmans award) that is completely illrelevent.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Neither is Rookie All Star, or Regional Finalist...

The metric is named "Blue Banner Quotient" - using something other than blue banners with it is inaccurate and confusing.

But they were a blue banner which is still counted in the 2005-2009 season.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by BrendanB

But they were a blue banner which is still counted in the 2005-2009 season.

There was no blue banner for EI in 2007 - for sure as well. I don't believe it ever has been awarded a blue banner.

[Henry Williams]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

As of last year this isn't true.

Yeah, I wish it was but no banner for 461 last year...

[big1boom]

So for the BBQ/SAUCE, blue banners are
1) Regional Winner
2) Regional Chairmans
3) Division Champion
4) World Champion
5) Championship Chairmans

Anything else?

[XaulZan11]

Assuming that we are talking about toughest regional to become Regional Champion, does it make sense to include chairmans or any other non-regional/divison/world championship blue banner?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Assuming that we are talking about toughest regional to become Regional Champion, does it make sense to include chairmans or any other non-regional/divison/world championship blue banner?

If that's the case then you might as well go with straight up won/loss record over the last five years.
There are cases of teams winning championshps that have a losing record. Does that make them a strong team?

[BrendanB]

It is going to be extremely hard to determine which regional is the hardest. FIRST isn't a sport, the game, strategy, robot, and team changes each and every year.

Midwest is full of powerhouse teams, but if they are all extremely good and everyone else is mediocre than the competition lies between only those good teams.

What about the regionals that are full of good teams?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by BrendanB

It is going to be extremely hard to determine which regional is the hardest. FIRST isn't a sport, the game, strategy, robot, and team changes each and every year.

Midwest is full of powerhouse teams, but if they are all extremely good and everyone else is mediocre than the competition lies between only those good teams.

What about the regionals that are full of good teams?

Even Michigan doesn't have that. Not until the MSC.

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Even Michigan doesn't have that. Not until the MSC.

You could argue that even MSC doesn't have it either, but it's the closest any event gets, perhaps even compared to IRI.