Team Update #7

[Mr.G]

Yet another major rules change 3 weeks in with the deletion of :

Once a GAME PIECE has been released by the POSSESSING ROBOT (even momentarily) and is HANGING (e.g. it is fully supported by the PEG), it is considered to be HANGING until the end of the match.

We had planned to just move around the game pieces by taking them on and off each peg. Using one of each game piece to do the whole rack. We think we could do one full rack this way with just our robot. Now our current design is not optimized for the new game design. Why can't they just leave the rules alone instead of constantly changing them.

Now the whole game is minibot or your loose. Our idea would have made a more even game between minibot and robot. And also better to watch.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Yet another major rules change 3 weeks in with the deletion of :

Once a GAME PIECE has been released by the POSSESSING ROBOT (even momentarily) and is HANGING (e.g. it is fully supported by the PEG), it is considered to be HANGING until the end of the match.

We had planned to just move around the game pieces by taking them on and off each peg. Using one of each game piece to do the whole rack. We think we could do one full rack this way with just our robot. Now our current design is not optimized for the new game design.

They'd already dealt with that by Q&A--an early Q&A had specified that it was the final location that counted towards your score. If you had noticed that, you could have saved yourself the time of designing your robot around that strategy.

They just didn't get around to dealing with the rules until someone asked again.

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

They'd already dealt with that by Q&A--an early Q&A had specified that it was the final location that counted towards your score. If you had noticed that, you could have saved yourself the time of designing your robot around that strategy.

They just didn't get around to dealing with the rules until someone asked again.

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

Untill there is a rule that says QandA is part of the rules I will never read all of them and study them. I don't have that much time.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

<G68> Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

I pulled up the latest rules and that is what G68 is.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by EricH

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

Actually, as per RevG, that is indeed <G68>, it is <G67>.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

Actually, as per RevG, that is indeed <G68>, it is <G67>. READ THE MANUAL

lol

Ok, so it is.

Now, what rule was deleted without an Update? Would have happened between Rev E (which I have on my computer) and Rev G. It's not picked up in the Revisions section in Rev G. Either that, or there was a renumbering.

Edit: As Gary said, <G60> from Rev E (AKA, Be civil to the other folks in the Arena or get a Yellow Card).

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by EricH

Ok, so it is.

Now, what rule was deleted without an Update? Would have happened between Rev E (which I have on my computer) and Rev G. It's not picked up in the Revisions section in Rev G. Either that, or there was a renumbering.

Edit: As Gary said, <G60> from Rev E (AKA, Be civil to the other folks in the Arena or get a Yellow Card).

Not sure how long it's been out there, but there is a now a game manual rev G+ which puts <G60> back in.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

Not sure how long it's been out there, but there is a now a game manual rev G+ which puts <G60> back in.

You got a working link? The online one goes to an error page; downloading from the link doesn't work either.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by EricH

You got a working link? The online one goes to an error page; downloading from the link doesn't work either.

I can't get to it either, but we know that <G60> is put back in from what's underneath the link.

Describes the game in detail. Version G+ reinserts Rule <G60> that was accidentally deleted in version G.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

Not sure how long it's been out there, but there is a now a game manual rev G+ which puts <G60> back in.

Can anyone actually see this revision? I get a not-found error.

So that means instead of reading a manual with one rule missing, now people can't read the manual at all. (Unless they're like me, and download every version of it.)

Oh, I just checked - the whole version is there, with <G60>.

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

Actually, as per RevG, that is indeed <G68>, it is <G67>. READ THE MANUAL

lol

Small aside:
You know, when the rtm smiley was developed, it never dawned on me that it could be used in an obnoxious manner. You learn something every day.

Jane

[GaryVoshol]

Oops! When they fixed <G59> in RevG, they deleted <G60>. All rules below that have been decremented by 1.

So the Old <G68>, which is <G67> in RevG, reads:

Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

Just as with the 60"/84" issue, there was a conflict within the rules. Someone asked Q&A, and it eventually was corrected.