Team Update #7

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

[Roboham]

The update says

An image of the hook that will be used by FIELD crew to remove MINIBOTS from the TOWER has been posted
under Section 3 – The Game at www.usfirst.org/frc/competitionmanual.

I have checked section 3 and cannot seem to find it. Does anyone know where it might be?

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

The Q&A is an OFFICIAL RULING by the GDC. Whatever they say in the Q&A becomes the rule regardless of what the manual says.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Roboham

The update says

I have checked section 3 and cannot seem to find it. Does anyone know where it might be?

I think they jumped the gun on saying it had been posted. Hopefully it'll be up in a day or so.

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

[MarkoRamius1086]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

I don't know if this is what you meant, but it seems to me that the field crew will be doing the removing of the MINIBOT, not the teams themselves.

I got the same impression... I doubt the GDC would go so far as to make a statement such as "We do not want you to strive for getting your MINIBOT to the bottom of the pole under its own power."

Best of luck this year!
Petrie

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

<G68> Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by nitneylion452

The Q&A is an OFFICIAL RULING by the GDC. Whatever they say in the Q&A becomes the rule regardless of what the manual says.

Where does it say that?

[Mr.G]

Originally Posted by EricH

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

I pulled up the latest rules and that is what G68 is.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by EricH

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

Actually, as per RevG, that is indeed <G68>, it is <G67>.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Where does it say that?

It doesn't.

But, when was the last time a Supreme Court ruling wasn't treated as law? The Q&A is the Supreme Court of FRC. It's where you go for intent behind the rule and interpretation of the rule.

[Henzado]

<G69> is the rule of the minimum match score, <G68> is how the scores will be assesed.

[nitneylion452]

Originally Posted by Henzado

<G69> is the rule of the minimum match score, <G68> is how the scores will be assesed.

Read RevG of the manual

<G67> Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

[zbanks]

Oddly enough, R96 was deleted:

<R96> At the time of inspection, teams must submit an electronic copy of their Bill Of Materials (BOM) of all items used in the construction of their MINIBOT to the inspector. BOMs must be transferred to inspectors at the event via USB drive (inspector or team provided)

It seems strange to release an update regarding how KOP items are recorded on the BOM, then eliminate the BOM as part of inspection? What's the point?


EDIT: Oops, R96 was redundant to R82!

[GaryVoshol]

Oops! When they fixed <G59> in RevG, they deleted <G60>. All rules below that have been decremented by 1.

So the Old <G68>, which is <G67> in RevG, reads:

Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

Just as with the 60"/84" issue, there was a conflict within the rules. Someone asked Q&A, and it eventually was corrected.