Arm goes down too fast?

[Brandon_L]

Ok so, we no longer have the arm going down superfast but when we stop it from moving in the downward direction, its still super bouncy. Is there anything at all we can do to fix this? We bent up some of our arm parts from the bouncing..

[BornaE]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Ok so, we no longer have the arm going down superfast but when we stop it from moving in the downward direction, its still super bouncy. Is there anything at all we can do to fix this? We bent up some of our arm parts from the bouncing..

can you post a picture of the arm?

need more details.
Usually
-increase gear ratio
-balance
-reverse powered lowering(requires some programming knowledge
-increase the strength of the joints and materials used.

[Brandon_L]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yD4oc4j2g

two window motors driving a 22 or 24 tooth sprocket (forget which one) with chain to a 60 tooth sprocket with the arm bolted directly to the sprocket. on the back of the arm is the bungee cord running down the back. This test was from a few days ago so it still shows it slamming down into the frame (why the mentor is holding on to it, to keep it from doing that)

Both window motors are being drivin from victors in brake mode (Had jags, but they locked up)

Let me know if you need any more info

-reverse powered lowering(requires some programming knowledge

What do you mean by this?

[WileyB-J]

I suggest a weighted counterbalance for the backside of the arm (meaning you would have to add an extension to your current arm) like industrial cranes have. you have a great deal of leverage and weight on your business end and you need to be able to have the arm naturally balance horizontally on its own, or close to it.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by WileyB-J

I suggest a weighted counterbalance for the backside of the arm (meaning you would have to add an extension to your current arm) like industrial cranes have. you have a great deal of leverage and weight on your business end and you need to be able to have the arm naturally balance horizontally on its own, or close to it.

We can't go any farther out the back side of the arm or it will be outside the frame at the start of the match. We can't find our surgical tubing, but we have a ton of bungee cords. problem with it right now is that the cords are currently out of the frame perimeter (this IS illegal, right? Its still within the space limits..)

[MrForbes]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

We can't find our surgical tubing

They sell it at hardware stores and building supplies, in the plumbing section with the other tubing.

[pfreivald]

Your arm seems pretty rickety, especially for the weight it is trying to support. Forgive the paint-CAD, but you can add a lot of rigidity to a thin arm with some supports and steel cable, while adding almost negligible weight.

(Also, I agree with the neutral balance suggestions. We're using a four-start screw and a FP motor on a 64:1 BB for our lift, and we can stop it anywhere we want and it just stays there... It helps that we can lift the arm from behind the pivot with one finger!)

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by pfreivald

Your arm seems pretty rickety, especially for the weight it is trying to support. Forgive the paint-CAD, but you can add a lot of rigidity to a thin arm with some supports and steel cable, while adding almost negligible weight.

(Also, I agree with the neutral balance suggestions. We're using a four-start screw and a FP motor on a 64:1 BB for our lift, and we can stop it anywhere we want and it just stays there... It helps that we can lift the arm from behind the pivot with one finger!)

Sorry for the double, but I do like that alottttt.

The only problem is that I can't really think of a way to do it, we only have about a half inch from the top of the sprocket to the height limit, and the same with to the back of the robot

[pfreivald]

You could do it the other way around -- drill two (small) holes in your sprocket, mount the cable through them, and then have a wider bar as far out on the arm as you can to attach them to for stability. (I'm sure that will give you some issues as far as space and whatnot, too, but it's something to consider. Lightweight reinforcement = good.)

[Brandon_L]

would doing it the other way around have any negative effects on it other then more weight somewhere mid-arm?

Doing that mid arm is perfectly possible, we have plenty of space

[pfreivald]

I'm not going to tell you everything...

Go play. Have fun with the idea. See if you can learn something, and drag some other kids along with you!

[Brandon_L]

Oh your no fun haha

We'll play with it

[Chris Fultz]

We are using a gas shock (McMaster Carr) on the arm. You will need to do some math work to determine how much moment (torque) your arm has, and then determine where you can mount a shock and what size (force) is needed to balance the arm.

McMaster has these in multiple lengths and spring forces. They are pretty light and easy to use.

If you cannot find a way to make the surgical tubing work, this is another option.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by pfreivald

I'm not going to tell you everything...

Go play. Have fun with the idea. See if you can learn something, and drag some other kids along with you!

We played with it and boy are we happy now.

Other then some bouncing from other factors were working on, its now wonderful.

Will look for surgical tubing, because our balance point is pretty much about 6" above the floor with the bungee cords.

Thanks for everything guys!

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

We played with it and boy are we happy now.

Other then some bouncing from other factors were working on, its now wonderful.

Happy to help. New video?