how to throw tubes

Our human player has been practicing, and is able to reliably get the tubes 3/4 across the field (at minimum). He is jumping and throwing them over the top of the alliance station.

If you look at the Robonauts' robot, you can see that 35s in, their human player is throwing around the alliance station.

I've looked in the rules, and the only thing I can see that that violates is G36: "GAME PIECES may not be intentionally placed out of bounds. "

Would you agree with me, or is this something that we can do; since it would make throwing the tubes slightly easier.

[nuggetsyl]

I watched it a few times i am not sure i agree. Besides that WOW that kid can throw. I would like to hire him for NJ.

[EricH]

I would disagree, and say further that if the Robonauts (or any other team) does that in competition, it will be a penalty. <G57> explicitly states that tubes cannot be thrown around the side of the Feeder Station. That rule, as far as I can tell, has not been changed since Kickoff.

[Chris is me]

I would suggest not throwing tubes "discus-style", instead throwing them vertically. You'll have a bit more success that way.

However, if you're throwing tubes, I don't think you're executing the optimal strategy for this game, in my opinion. You'll want to carefully consider it.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

However, if you're throwing tubes, you're doing something wrong.

I would hold onto this quote for discussion in late April

[nuggetsyl]

I just watched it again. I think the HP on 118 throw is perfectly legal. The only thing i am is jealous lol.

[Jeff Waegelin]

I watched the throws pretty closely, and they definitely go over the top, not around the side. Very impressive throwing.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by nuggetsyl

I just watched it again. I think the HP on 118 throw is perfectly legal. The only thing i am is jealous lol.

Questionable. It looked like a corner went over the top while the rest went over the "around the side" area. I don't think a corner over the top quite counts as being over the top. That's one that could go either way.

At 42 seconds, try to get the tube showing up as it goes past the wall. That looks a lot more legal; there's wall on both sides. Admittedly it's awful close to the top of the wall, but still has a lot of carry.

If I was a referee, I'd issue a caution or maybe a penalty on the first throw and nothing on the second throw. Note that I'm not a referee.

The throwing style doesn't matter. What matters is going over the top of the station (or through the slot), not around the side of the wall, and getting the tube to where it needs to be without somebody on the other alliance intercepting. How you do that is up to you.

[Nathan Pell]

Do like we did, and have the robot do it for you

[Bob Steele]

Originally Posted by Jared341

I would hold onto this quote for discussion in late April

I would like to second your quote.....
Originally I thought that we wouldn't see many tubes thrown... but I tend to think that may not be the case now...

I think that acquiring a tube off the floor quickly will be a big advantage in this game..

We shall see though...

Good luck to everyone!!

[KrazyCarl92]

I think what we need is for the GDC to confirm what "around the side" means. Using common sense, I would think that it means that the tube is thrown entirely around the side of the wall, which makes all of 118's throws entirely legal.

[Steven Donow]

Hmm looking at that throw, it may be legal. I think it would just come down to how observant/what angle the judge is at. Personally, if you want to get the tubes to roll, tomahawking them might just be best. Also, I think between throwing to the side/at an angle, and putting your hands/fingers through the feeder station, I think we're gonna see plenty of penalties coming from HPs this year.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

I think what we need is for the GDC to confirm what "around the side" means. Using common sense, I would think that it means that the tube is thrown entirely around the side of the wall, which makes all of 118's throws entirely legal.

Actually, i think common sense would tell you that any part of it cannot go around the side. so basically, if you added a side wall, it could not touch that wall. But, it's a good Q for the Q&A. (Oh boy, Team Update #14 )

[EricH]

If you were to lean a triangle tube up against the field border, let's say on the inside, and the top corner was over the field border, is the tube now outside the field? Would you say the same if the tube was suspended in the air by some means, say an updraft, and not otherwise moving?

Now let's put the tube on the outside leaning up against the wall, same conditions otherwise. Is it now inside the field? How about if it's suspended?

[GaryVoshol]

I agree, it should be asked to the Q&A.

<G57> During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, FEEDERS may enter LOGO PIECES onto the FIELD by using the FEEDING SLOTS or by throwing the LOGO PIECE over the top of the FEEDER STATION wall. LOGO PIECES may not be thrown around the side of the FEEDER STATION wall. Violation: PENALTY

Does "over the top" mean at least 6.5 feet in the air? Then we're OK. Does "may not be thrown around the side" mean below 6.5 feet in the air, hooked around the end of the WALL? Then these throws are still OK.

It's questionable if the rule means the tube cannot ever be outside the vertical projection of the edge of the STATION WALL, even if the tube is higher than the WALL. That's what has to be determined.

My advice? Without a definitive ruling of what "around the side" means, make it obvious that the tube goes "over the top". Don't make questionable throws.