Rookie Teams' Help Needed

[PriyankP]

Hello,

Team 188 recently purchased a new classmate because of our original classmate's power problems and we're wondering if a rookie team is willing to help us out by uploading the contents of their classmate USB they received in the Kit of Parts.

I'd also like to make sure that I'm correct in assuming that we'll need to image the newly purchased classmate with a rookie team's USB.

Thank you,

Priyank Purohit
Head Programmer
Team 188 - Woburn Robotics

EDIT:
You can also reach me via E-Mail - priyankpurohit31@team188.com

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by PriyankP

Team 188 recently purchased a new classmate because of our original classmate's power problems and we're wondering if a rookie team is willing to help us out by uploading the contents of their classmate USB they received in the Kit of Parts.

The correct course of action is to contact frcparts@usfirst.org and arrange for FIRST to put the proper image on an 8 GB flash drive you supply.

[Mark McLeod]

You don't need to image a new Classmate from the KOP stick unless it didn't come with an operating system...

Everything else is available on DVD or as software updates.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

You don't need to image a new Classmate from the KOP stick unless it didn't come with an operating system....

If you buy a new Classmate from CTL using the FRC discount code, it does come without an OS installed.

[PriyankP]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

If you buy a new Classmate from CTL using the FRC discount code, it does come without an OS installed.

I'm guessing you guys purchased a new classmate this year too? How long did FIRST take to give you the new USB? I'm wondering if we'll get the USB somehow before FLR next week.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by PriyankP

I'm guessing you guys purchased a new classmate this year too? How long did FIRST take to give you the new USB? I'm wondering if we'll get the USB somehow before FLR next week.

I sent my email on a Sunday evening asking what we needed to do. I got my response Wednesday evening, and that's when I found they needed for us to ship them a fresh 8 GB SanDisk Cruzer flash drive. It went in the mail to Manchester on Thursday. One of our team mentors was actually at FIRST HQ that weekend, and he hand-carried the drive with the E11 image back to us, where we received it on Tuesday.

Have you emailed frcparts@usfirst.org yet?

[PriyankP]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

I sent my email on a Sunday evening asking what we needed to do. I got my response Wednesday evening, and that's when I found they needed for us to ship them a fresh 8 GB SanDisk Cruzer flash drive. It went in the mail to Manchester on Thursday. One of our team mentors was actually at FIRST HQ that weekend, and he hand-carried the drive with the E11 image back to us, where we received it on Tuesday.

Have you emailed frcparts@usfirst.org yet?

Yes I did email them. And then that means we won't have the new classmate ready for FLR. If I can get a rookie team's USB, would it be the same thing? Or should I just start updating our old classmate and hope for the best? I plan on updating the old classmate and get it FLR ready and at the same time try to get the new one ready by asking a rookie team.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by PriyankP

I plan on updating the old classmate...

You've had a month and a half to do that. Why did you delay? Alternatively, if it's working as it is, why do you feel you should update it now?

A USB flash drive from the rookie KoP should work perfectly to load up your E11 Classmate.

[PriyankP]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

You've had a month and a half to do that. Why did you delay? Alternatively, if it's working as it is, why do you feel you should update it now?

A USB flash drive from the rookie KoP should work perfectly to load up your E11 Classmate.

Well, the only reason why it's not updated is because we don't use our classmate during the build weeks. It's sitting in a corner.

Thank you for helping us, really appreciate it.

[darkorbit]

Technically the only difference between the images are the drivers for the devices of the classmate. You can technically install the veteran image on the new classmate but you have to get the drivers off the classmate website.

This you should know before attempting this if you choose to do so.
1. make sure you have another computer than can access the internet.
2. know the model number of your new classmate.
3. Know where to get the drivers: ftp://ftp.ctlcorp.com/public/NOTEBOOKS/Netbooks/

I hope this helps

[Clayton Yocom]

Originally Posted by darkorbit

Technically the only difference between the images are the drivers for the devices of the classmate. You can technically install the veteran image on the new classmate but you have to get the drivers off the classmate website...

You are correct in that the differences are only the drivers, but you are incorrect on the severity of the situation. The veteran image crashes immediately on the new classmates. No recovery mode. No safe mode. nothing. You'd have to replace the drivers that come in the OEM install package that is on the USB key. Which you might as well just get a new USB key from first. (We tested both this year's USB key and last year's XP recovery image and they both immediately BSoD'd)

Also, to those trying to put linux on the new classmates: Good Luck. The only Linux we could get running was Chrome OS due to it's lack of hardware support. (we believe the wireless card hangs the kernel on most installs [tried ubuntu/debian/dslinux])

[darkorbit]

Originally Posted by Clayton Yocom

You are correct in that the differences are only the drivers, but you are incorrect on the severity of the situation. The veteran image crashes immediately on the new classmates. No recovery mode. No safe mode. nothing. You'd have to replace the drivers that come in the OEM install package that is on the USB key. Which you might as well just get a new USB key from first. (We tested both this year's USB key and last year's XP recovery image and they both immediately BSoD'd)

Also, to those trying to put linux on the new classmates: Good Luck. The only Linux we could get running was Chrome OS due to it's lack of hardware support. (we believe the wireless card hangs the kernel on most installs [tried ubuntu/debian/dslinux])

Hmm that's interesting. Our team got a new classmate too but when I re-imaged it I never got bsod. I used this years usb to re-image both the new classmate and the vetern one with no problems. Our new classmate is a E10IS model.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by darkorbit

Hmm that's interesting. Our team got a new classmate too but when I re-imaged it I never got bsod. I used this years usb to re-image both the new classmate and the vetern one with no problems. Our new classmate is a E10IS model.

As a veteran team, what you received as "this year's USB" is specific to last year's Classmate model, which is an E10. The E10IS your team got is not what CTL sells as the "FIRST Authorized Product". The new Classmate in the 2011 Kit of Parts is an E11, and requires the "2011 rookie USB" image.

[darkorbit]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

As a veteran team, what you received as "this year's USB" is specific to last year's Classmate model, which is an E10. The E10IS your team got is not what CTL sells as the "FIRST Authorized Product". The new Classmate in the 2011 Kit of Parts is an E11, and requires the "2011 rookie USB" image.

Hmm that's interesting haha. My team ordered it at the end of last year. Anyways Just ignore my post then haha. Go through FIRST for a 2011 USB key.