Banebots RS-775 Case Short

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Oz,
The simplest way is to start a thread on the Q&A by asking the question. I know what the answer is going to be but it should get people to start thinking about the issue. Please keep in mind that any manufacturer could have a bad run of product. I am not defending Banebot but just knowing the problems can occur allows the students to learn real world issues with components.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Tristan Lall

nobody is decrying AndyMark's lead time, because we know they're just a reseller for other companies' motors. By contrast, as far as we know, BaneBots is the one-stop shop for BaneBots motors.

A little more openness about the supply chain (starting with the name of the manufacturer) would probably go a long way toward clarifying which issues are of BaneBots' own making, and which are attributable to the supplier.

I don't think Banebots manufactures motors. They are a reseller. Mabuchi is the manufacturer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabuchi_Motor

[MrForbes]

I doubt Mabuchi is the manufacturer. They just started the whole "RS-xxx" thing. Lots of companies make motors.

[Jack Jones]

This looks like the same motor to me.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by squirrel

I doubt Mabuchi is the manufacturer.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=13

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Ether

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=13

That link refers to motors that came in the 2010 Kit of Parts and were not Banebots motors.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by Vikesrock

That link refers to motors that came in the 2010 Kit of Parts and were not Banebots motors.

Are you saying Banebots has their own motor manufacturing plant for the 2011KoP motors, or are you saying they buy them from a manufacturer other than Mabuchi?

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Ether

Are you saying Banebots has their own motor manufacturing plant for the 2011KoP motors, or are you saying they buy them from a manufacturer other than Mabuchi?

Neither. Just pointing out that the two motors referenced in the post that you linked are not from this year's kit and were never sourced or available from Banebots.

[Ether]

Originally Posted by squirrel

I doubt Mabuchi is the manufacturer.

What is the basis for your doubt? Mabuchi's reputation?

[OZ_341]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

Oz,
The simplest way is to start a thread on the Q&A by asking the question. I know what the answer is going to be but it should get people to start thinking about the issue. Please keep in mind that any manufacturer could have a bad run of product. I am not defending Banebot but just knowing the problems can occur allows the students to learn real world issues with components.

I understand what you are saying, but Banebots should be standing behind their bad product run and FIRST should be forcing them to do so.
In the real world I would just go to another motor manufacturer and never use Banebots again, but I am not allowed to do that. So the real world analogy does not completely apply here.
A nice lesson for the students would be showing them how a company should stand behind their products. If Banebots does not want to be an example company for students, then they should not work with students, period.

[Andy Baker]

Originally Posted by MCahoon

Note that AndyMark is showing the FP motors are out of stock with expected 8-10 days before shipment could begin.

That 8-10 day delay was posted about 10 days ago. We have not received the new shipment from F-P yet, but we will within a day. Once these are here, then we will open up orders. I really don't like opening up order for items like this until we see the motors here.

So, my best guess is that they will be available again at AndyMark by Wednesday, March 16.

And... yes, in a general sense, we are looking at this entire issue and seeking ways to improve things for the FIRST community next year. I don't want to go into specifics publicly, but I am very open for suggestions regarding what to do for 2012.

Andy B.

[JVN]

Originally Posted by Andy Baker

And... yes, in a general sense, we are looking at this entire issue and seeking ways to improve things for the FIRST community next year. I don't want to go into specifics publicly, but I am very open for suggestions regarding what to do for 2012.

Andy B.

Unlimited CIMs. The weight of the motor plus the limited power of the battery provides a good enough tradeoff that teams won't get an "unfair" advantage from using lots of them. That motor is also easy to use, and there are lots of wonderful options available for inexperienced teams.

Veterans will be happy.
Rookies will be happy.
JVN will be happy.

No more garbage motors in the interest of "variety."

-John

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by JVN

Unlimited CIMs. The weight of the motor plus the limited power of the battery provides a good enough tradeoff that teams won't get an "unfair" advantage from using lots of them. That motor is also easy to use, and there are lots of wonderful options available for inexperienced teams.

Veterans will be happy.
Rookies will be happy.
JVN will be happy.

No more garbage motors in the interest of "variety."

-John

Building on this, FIRST seemed to attempt the "pick a motor that suits you" system this year with the Banebots motors. It's a good idea, but the quality of some of the motors left much to be desired.

The CIMs have proven to be as close to indestructible one could hope for in a motor for FRC. With the way drivetrains have progressed you pretty much have to use them in the DT to stay competitive. Even 1 additional CIM goes a long long way.

-Brando

[billbo911]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Building on this, FIRST seemed to attempt the "pick a motor that suits you" system this year with the Banebots motors. It's a good idea, but the choices of motors left much to be desired.

-Brando

Your point is well stated, but I think the wording might not quite be accurate.
I believe a better choice might be:

Building on this, FIRST seemed to attempt the "pick a motor that suits you" system this year with the Banebots motors. It's a good idea, but the quality of some of the motors left much to be desired.

[MrForbes]

Originally Posted by Ether

What is the basis for your doubt? Mabuchi's reputation?

If the motors said "Mabuchi" on them, then I would think they might be Mabuchi motors. Aside from that, the term "Mabuchi motor" has become slightly generic, referring to any motor that is a copy of the original Mabuchi style of motor.

I could be wrong...but I doubt it.