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[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

So is the % for a given team/match that team's TAQMP/(sum of alliance's TAQMP?)? It'll definitely be neat to see it without the minibot. And by this algorithm, all teams will have a positive lineskier ranking?

Actually after implementing the minibot calculations and what not, I found that all teams will not have a positive robot ranking. (robot is the # of points not scored by the minibot)

a robot can have a negative contribution if a minibot goes up but you get penalties. ie you get 30pts for the minibot, but theres a penalty. your final score is 27 with 30 minibot pts. leaving a -3 contribution to the robots in the match.

[JamesBrown]

Interesting how much 1519 dropped on an off week, a bunch of teams jumped them despite not playing this week. I am interested to see the individual expert poles and to see why 1519 dropped so much compared to other robots who were also off this week. All of their competition from Manchester improved in rankings compared to teams who also played in week 1 (40 played both weeks and moved up a spot, 175 only played week one, they dropped 8 spots but 10 new teams were placed above them so they actually improved compared to the same teams as last week, same for 131.)

[Chris is me]

It's interesting to see what great teams are more easily "forgettable" (1519, 2016) and which are not (148).

I didn't vote this week as I was competing, but if I did, 40 would be in the top 3. They drastically improved from BAE.

177 is also quite underrated... but I always say that.

[PerpetualMotion]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

It's interesting to see what great teams are more easily "forgettable" (1519, 2016) and which are not (148).

I didn't vote this week as I was competing, but if I did, 40 would be in the top 3. They drastically improved from BAE.

177 is also quite underrated... but I always say that.

2016 only moved down two spots, and 4 teams were added above them. I don't think they're forgetable. Actually, they jumped three teams from the previous vote (16, 1676, and 1519). None of these teams compete last weekend. I don't understand how there's so much movement with little to no new information.

I agree 1519 seems to be forgettable as they dropped 12 spots. It's also interesting to note 118 remains in the top 25, while 5 teams that were previously ahead them are no longer on the list. None of those 6 teams played last weekend so there is also little to no new information there either.

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion

2016 only moved down two spots, and 4 teams were added above them. I don't think they're forgetable. Actually, they jumped three teams from the previous vote (16, 1676, and 1519). None of these teams compete last weekend. I don't understand how there's so much movement with little to no new information.

I agree 1519 seems to be forgettable as they dropped 12 spots. It's also interesting to note 118 remains in the top 25, while 5 teams that were previously ahead them are no longer on the list. None of those 6 teams played last weekend so there is also little to no new information there either.

Possible Chris actually meant 2137 who went from 13th to not even making the list of teams receiving votes.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by JamesBrown

Possible Chris actually meant 2137 who went from 13th to not even making the list of teams receiving votes.

That's the one. 2137 isn't exactly a household name in FIRST, yet their performance is being very quickly forgotten.

[jwfoss]

you're not suggesting that teams that are more well known will get more votes, are you?

[IKE]

At the end of week 2, there have been 15 events. Thus under 2 teams per event could be mentioned in a top 25. By the end of the season, there will be over 50 events. Many really really good teams will not make it into the top 25. The top 25 is just over the top 1% of all of FRC that means that statistically speaking, that top team at a regional of 50 teams stands about a 50% chance of getting a nod.

If the guys would be interested, forming a Top 100 list could be really cool. Top 25 ranked, then a 25-50, and then a 50-100 group would be really cool. this would be very interesting to later correlate to the elimination alliances at the World championship (24*4 teams).

[sgreco]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

That's the one. 2137 isn't exactly a household name in FIRST, yet their performance is being very quickly forgotten.

This often happens in college football. When a team has a bye-week, they get passed by teams that won that week. Probably not much you can do about it, but in college football it's also easier to get a high rank if you are well known (LSU, Florida, Ohio State, or in our case 148, 217, 254 1114 etc). I guess over time teams just earn the right to be more easily recognized.

[Paul Copioli]

For the record, we dropped spots in both polls and didn't even play last week. So much for the theory regarding well known teams not dropping. I have to say that I love the polls (no, I do not vote in the expert poll), but they are as useful as the computers in the BCS.

[sgreco]

The polls are harder in FIRST because teams don't play nearly every week like they do in college football. I'm curious to see what will happen to teams that played in early regionals and don't play the final few weeks. I hope they don't get over looked.

The reason most teams that played week one went down is because the size of the field has nearly doubled. A team that had a high rank week one now has twice as many teams to compete against in week 2 for the same spot.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by sgreco

The polls are harder in FIRST because teams don't play nearly every week like they do in college football. I'm curious to see what will happen to teams that played in early regionals and don't play the final few weeks. I hope they don't get over looked.

The reason most teams that played week one went down is because the size of the field has nearly doubled. A team that had a high rank week one now has twice as many teams to compete against in week 2 for the same spot.

This is why I think using numbers to create a top 50 is a good place to start. OPR is a popular ranking. Then out of those top 50 select a top 25.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by lineskier

This is why I think using numbers to create a top 50 is a good place to start. OPR is a popular ranking. Then out of those top 50 select a top 25.

OPR is a lot less meaningful between two different events.

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion

I don't understand how there's so much movement with little to no new information.

I know I changed a number of my relative rankings of Week 1 teams after watching additional video and examining some statistics such as OPR, selection position and others.

[JVN]

These rankings don't describe how good a team is, they describe how good the community thinks they are.

When you realize this, everything makes sense.