Logomotion: From A First Person Perspective

[davidthefat]

We strapped a phone onto our robot (with LOTS of zip ties and tape) and filmed the whole match from the robot's perspective. I am the one with the blue shirt with the belly

The flick of the ubertube was on purpose

This was the match where we broke down because the cRio lost power momentarily and rebooted so we were sitting ducks for the last half of the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDpnRhmhW7A

[Grim Tuesday]

That is really quite cool, though I would like to see a full match with that!

[davidthefat]

I think next year we will make an actual camera mount so we can do this every match

[SenorZ]

Hope the robot didn't logomotion-dial someone... would be more confusing than a pocket-dial.

[Robby Unruh]

I think there's a safer way to do this.

[wilsonmw04]

I would love to do this in a few weeks. This would be great footage for a promo video. One question: Is this strictly legal?

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

I would love to do this in a few weeks. This would be great footage for a promo video. One question: Is this strictly legal?

We never asked

[ChrisH]

Originally Posted by davidthefat

We never asked

I think technically you need to get approval from FRC Engineering for doing this during an official match. It is usually allowed as long as the video is not viewable in the player station. This requirement does not apply to the cameras supplied in the KOP or approved for use in vision systems.

[O'Sancheski]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

I would love to do this in a few weeks. This would be great footage for a promo video. One question: Is this strictly legal?

It is perfectly legal. My team uses a little flip video camera and mounts it to our arm or chassis to get a field view of the game.

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by O'Sancheski

It is perfectly legal. My team uses a little flip video camera and mounts it to our arm or chassis to get a field view of the game.

Perfectly legal? Think again....

<R35> Items specifically prohibited from use on the ROBOT include:
A. any battery other than, or in addition to, the one primary battery permitted by Rule <R34> the MINIBOT battery, or a battery contained in a COTS computing device,

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Originally Posted by O'Sancheski

It is perfectly legal. My team uses a little flip video camera and mounts it to our arm or chassis to get a field view of the game.

As Jack has pointed out this is not "perfectly legal". Wireless cameras need to be approved by First engineering and at a minimum need to be checked over by the Lead Robot Inspector prior to their use on the robot. If you used this, you risked a DQ for you and your alliance for not having the camera inspected. While your LRI would likely have given a green light on this use of your phone, it is not legal to just add things without reinspection. Remember, you can be challenged and reinspected at any time.

<R84> All decorations must be on the ROBOT at the time of final inspection.
<R88> If a ROBOT is modified after it has passed inspection, that ROBOT must be re-inspected.
<R89> FIRST Officials may randomly re-inspect ROBOTS participating in competition MATCHES to assure compliance with the rules.
<T03> A TEAM will only be allowed to participate in a MATCH and receive qualification, ranking, and Coopertition points only if it has passed inspection. If it is learned after the start of the MATCH that a TEAM did not pass inspection, the TEAM’s entire ALLIANCE will receive a RED CARD for that MATCH.

[wilsonmw04]

That's sort what I was wondering. The whole"rules are for those who get caught" thing makes me nervous. We will be asking before we do this. Thanks for the replies.

[Alpha Beta]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

As Jack has pointed out this is not "perfectly legal". Wireless cameras need to be approved by First engineering and at a minimum need to be checked over by the Lead Robot Inspector prior to their use on the robot. If you used this, you risked a DQ for you and your alliance for not having the camera inspected.

Kind of scary that an alliance partner could pass inspection, make a modification like this, not tell anyone, and then my team could be DQ'd because of it. What kind of interrogation do teams need to do with each during queing?

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta

Kind of scary that an alliance partner could pass inspection, make a modification like this, not tell anyone, and then my team could be DQ'd because of it. What kind of interrogation do teams need to do with each during queing?

In quals your partners DQ/red card does not affect the win or your qualifying points if I remember correctly.

[Alpha Beta]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

In quals your partners DQ/red card does not affect the win or your qualifying points if I remember correctly.

That's a good point. If they have passed inspection once, but not passed a re-inspection after a modification does <T03> apply?

<R88> If a ROBOT is modified after it has passed inspection, that ROBOT must be re-inspected.

<T03> A TEAM will only be allowed to participate in a MATCH and receive qualification, ranking, and Coopertition points only if it has passed inspection. If it is learned after the start of the MATCH that a TEAM did not pass inspection, the TEAM’s entire ALLIANCE will receive a RED CARD for that MATCH.