2011 SBPLI First Regional

[InspiredBYBots]

Originally Posted by dmurawski1626

Our team has never won a regional, and this was our first shot at doing so. The mentor in question is very passionate and didnt want our chances to be thrown by a rule mix up. Im sorry if he came off as being unprofessional, but he is just very passionate. So stop trying to make it out like hes a monster.

So to not ruin your chances, you ruin another teams chances in such a way? 1796 is such a small team, what was the purpose of creating that scene? So much for Gracious Professionalism haha.

A 358 and 1796 alliance with 329 would've been interesting, unfortunately we never saw them together... and it wouldve been a better match to have watched in the finals since they would have been a much harder alliance to "win" against but this is my opinion im "just very passionate about".

Good Luck in Missouri.

[dmurawski1626]

You do understand that regardless of how good their alliance would have been its still illegal right? For somone who seems so stuck up about "gracious professionalism", your the first to ignore the rules? Doesn't make too much sense to me.

[BradleyView]

One of the First things we do at Team 229 is instill in our Students and Mentors that It is crucial to know the rules to every aspect of that year's game. We expect that out of our students, and we also expect that out the volunteers running the competition. We know mistakes can be made, but when they are, they must be addressed.
When the 5th seed chose team 358, it was in DIRECT VIOLATION of the Rules. It appeared that all of the field crew and all other teams besides both Teams 229 and 1626 did not realize that this was in direct violation of one of the most fundamental rules in alliance selection. In fact Team 229 had sent a message runner down, but he was being ignored in his attempt to inform officials of the error. We wanted the issue to be addressed before the crew went to far in alliance selection. Usually this rule is addressed before alliance selection, but in this case it was skipped, which we realized may have caused some confusion. I know it may seem odd to see someone yell like that in alliance selection, but attention needed to be drawn before we had to break up several alliances in an effort to fix the problem.

[LonelyBot2345]

Originally Posted by dmurawski1626

Our team has never won a regional, and this was our first shot at doing so. The mentor in question is very passionate and didnt want our chances to be thrown by a rule mix up. Im sorry if he came off as being unprofessional, but he is just very passionate. So stop trying to make it out like hes a monster.

Don't over exaggerate now. No one is calling 1626's Mentor a monster. All I'm saying is he conducted himself very poorly, and represented your team in a very negative light when one of your adult mentors, chose to in a very angry and hostile manner poke his finger at the field yelling at high school students, literally yelling, with anger in his voice saying you can't do that, scaring everyone, Including myself. Now, I'm an adult; and was in the stands not involved. I can only imagine how startled those kids were on the field, to have him screaming and pointing at them. GP in the heat of battle? Not quite...

Not really the way you want a mentor acting at a high school robotics competition while everyone is sitting quietly watching them pick their alliances. Your team was correct in trying to correct the error, but how he chose to do it will always be remembered and reflected on your entire team for years to come just so you guy have a chance at winning; winning is not what FIRST is about i think your team need to straighten out their priorities. Like Inspiredbybot said its my opinion am just very passionate..

[InspiredBYBots]

Originally Posted by dmurawski1626

You do understand that regardless of how good their alliance would have been its still illegal right? For somone who seems so stuck up about "gracious professionalism", your the first to ignore the rules? Doesn't make too much sense to me.

I did say it was an opinion...
and as a high ranking team who did so well, it was surprising you didn't take up that challenge to prove on how well deserved that title you now have is... just "doesn't make too much sense to me."

Goodbye 1626.

[dmurawski1626]

I'm the one over exaggerating? Your as you say a full grown adult and saying you were legitimately scared by our mentor? Give me a break, first of all if he didn't yell how would they have heard him from the stands? Second, the rules were violated and it needed to be brought to light because alliance selections hadn't yet stopped.

Therefore, I am done with this conversation because your points are severely lacking merit. Open your eyes and see the reality instead of trying to make us out to be horrible people.

[LonelyBot2345]

Originally Posted by dmurawski1626

I'm the one over exaggerating? Your as you say a full grown adult and saying you were legitimately scared by our mentor? Give me a break, first of all if he didn't yell how would they have heard him from the stands? Second, the rules were violated and it needed to be brought to light because alliance selections hadn't yet stopped.

Therefore, I am done with this conversation because your points are severely lacking merit. Open your eyes and see the reality instead of trying to make us out to be horrible people.

We understand the 5th seed was in breach of rule 5.4.1 "if an invitation from a top eight ALLIANCE to another ALLIANCE Lead is declined, the declining TEAM may still invite TEAMS to join their ALLIANCE, however, it cannot accept invitations from other ALLIANCES." kudos to 229 and 1626 for going out of their way to try to correct it before the frc police came but am just try to point out the fact that you guys for the lack of a better word looked "dumb" for going about it the way you did but obviously my my points lack merit severely so i guess we just need to do is cry a river build a bridge and get over it .like i said before good luck at champs and congrats on a job well done you guys delivered it...and excuse me if i wasted anyone's time here

[scottydoh]

Why does every conversation on Chief Delphi have to end up this way? Can't everyone just get along...the whole point of this is to have fun. My team was in an alliance with 329 and 1796, we lost in the quarter finals due to technical difficulties, but I know for a fact that we, as a team, have never been happier.

Also, I was field side when the incident occurred. Several students, adults and myself were essentially run down in said mentors "excited" attempt to get on the field. While I completely understand that the alliance selection was in fact illegal, and that he was attempting to inform the ref's before selection got too deep, I feel it could have been handled in a much more professional manner.

[AndrewMorrison]

Originally Posted by InspiredBYBots

I did say it was an opinion...
and as a high ranking team who did so well, it was surprising you didn't take up that challenge to prove on how well deserved that title you now have is... just "doesn't make too much sense to me."

Goodbye 1626.

I don't think that our wanting to follow the rules means that we were scared to face the alliance. We would have prepared the same way to face any alliance. If we would have won or lost to that grouping of teams, who knows, but according to the rules, this was how pickings should have worked out.

Also, how many people end up being really excited when it comes close to finals? Pretty much everybody. How about when it is your team that has a legitimate chance at winning the regional? I can understand the yelling.

There are a few things that bother me here.

One. That the mistake was not caught by the regional staff. I have been around long enough to understand that occasionally teams forget the picking rules, but that it why the officials and volunteers are there. It really surprised me to see this go through. This is why before pickings you always review the rules!

Two. That no one else was trying to speak up. Teams 229 and 1626 were sitting at the top of the arena when the incident happened. Both 229 and 1626 sent a runner to notify the field. When no one paid any attention to 229's runner, the member on 1626 then yelled out to the field. At this time they were already asking the next alliance for their pick. All he was trying to do was notify everyone before things proceeded to far. Was it surprising? was there a better way to do it? Probably, but in the heat of the moment (coupled with the frustration that no one caught this) I don't think that this was some horrible action.

Three. That someone went through the trouble of creating a new log in name just for this thread. Please attach a name or team number if you are going to make comments. Don't hide behind fake names.


If anyone has ever talked to Team 1626 before, you would know that they are a great FIRST team. One that I try to get 229 to emulate. They would drop anything to help another team, and I try my best to follow their lead.

[B. Flaherty]

Originally Posted by BradleyView

One of the First things we do at Team 229 is instill in our Students and Mentors that It is crucial to know the rules to every aspect of that year's game. We expect that out of our students, and we also expect that out the volunteers running the competition. We know mistakes can be made, but when they are, they must be addressed.
When the 5th seed chose team 358, it was in DIRECT VIOLATION of the Rules. It appeared that all of the field crew and all other teams besides both Teams 229 and 1626 did not realize that this was in direct violation of one of the most fundamental rules in alliance selection. In fact Team 229 had sent a message runner down, but he was being ignored in his attempt to inform officials of the error. We wanted the issue to be addressed before the crew went to far in alliance selection. Usually this rule is addressed before alliance selection, but in this case it was skipped, which we realized may have caused some confusion. I know it may seem odd to see someone yell like that in alliance selection, but attention needed to be drawn before we had to break up several alliances in an effort to fix the problem.

Emphasis mine.

I was not present at the event, but it appears that a more "professional" attempt was made to correct the situation. It is unfortunate that what happened had to happen. However, what's past is past. Let's all try to move forward.

[Nevets Amstier]

Bill, 229 loves you.

[RoboTigers1796]

Team 1796 the 5th seed team knows we made a mistake during alliance selection and are gracious of 229 and 1626 for correcting it and making everyone aware of the situation. We would also like to thank Lonleybot2345’s and InspiredBYbot’s efforts and their opinion are greatly appreciated, but in the spirit of gracious professionalism the best alliance won and that was the number 1 seed, team 1626,375,and 229 congrats guys on a job well done…& our alliance team 329 and 810 were also a very good we were very excited we got to play along and also against each other…Good luck to you all on your future endeavors and hope to see you all at any off-season events and next year!

[LonelyBot2345]

Originally Posted by AndrewMorrison

I don't think that our wanting to follow the rules means that we were scared to face the alliance. We would have prepared the same way to face any alliance. If we would have won or lost to that grouping of teams, who knows, but according to the rules, this was how pickings should have worked out.

Also, how many people end up being really excited when it comes close to finals? Pretty much everybody. How about when it is your team that has a legitimate chance at winning the regional? I can understand the yelling.

There are a few things that bother me here.

One. That the mistake was not caught by the regional staff. I have been around long enough to understand that occasionally teams forget the picking rules, but that it why the officials and volunteers are there. It really surprised me to see this go through. This is why before pickings you always review the rules!

Two. That no one else was trying to speak up. Teams 229 and 1626 were sitting at the top of the arena when the incident happened. Both 229 and 1626 sent a runner to notify the field. When no one paid any attention to 229's runner, the member on 1626 then yelled out to the field. At this time they were already asking the next alliance for their pick. All he was trying to do was notify everyone before things proceeded to far. Was it surprising? was there a better way to do it? Probably, but in the heat of the moment (coupled with the frustration that no one caught this) I don't think that this was some horrible action.

Three. That someone went through the trouble of creating a new log in name just for this thread. Please attach a name or team number if you are going to make comments. Don't hide behind fake names.


If anyone has ever talked to Team 1626 before, you would know that they are a great FIRST team. One that I try to get 229 to emulate. They would drop anything to help another team, and I try my best to follow their lead.

please if your are talking directly to someone please do so no blank shots! i am not affiliated with any teams but i am a member of the FIRST community my name is Charles Garett and i was at the regional looking at teams and how they act at regional events and interviewing some teams as possible candidates for future capital sponsoring, I happened to be at the arena when the situation occurred in my opinion it was handled poorly on behalf of everyone that day and someone opinion about the regional is also being blown out of proportion as i said before i am sorry for wasting anyone's time on here and good luck to you all!

[LonelyBot2345]

Originally Posted by RoboTigers1796

Team 1796 the 5th seed team knows we made a mistake during alliance selection and are gracious of 229 and 1626 for correcting it and making everyone aware of the situation. We would also like to thank Lonleybot2345’s and InspiredBYbot’s efforts and their opinion are greatly appreciated, but in the spirit of gracious professionalism the best alliance won and that was the number 1 seed, team 1626,375,and 229 congrats guys on a job well done…& our alliance team 329 and 810 were also a very good we were very excited we got to play along and also against each other…Good luck to you all on your future endeavors and hope to see you all at any off-season events and next year!

Thank you and you guys were great out there the whole competition goodluck to you and sorry for any problems i may have caused

[AndrewMorrison]

Originally Posted by LonelyBot2345

please if your are talking directly to someone please do so no blank shots! i am not affiliated with any teams but i am a member of the FIRST community my name is Charles Garett and i was at the regional looking at teams and how they act at regional events and interviewing some teams as possible candidates for future capital sponsoring, I happened to be at the arena when the situation occurred in my opinion it was handled poorly on behalf of everyone that day and someone opinion about the regional is also being blown out of proportion as i said before i am sorry for wasting anyone's time on here and good luck to you all!

I meant nothing to you in that post. I was speaking to LIRobots1.