Michigan State Championship

[Huskie65]

Originally Posted by rmhooks573

wow!!!!!!!!!! i'm speachless. but at least you did get 5pts toward state ranking.

Ya its not near enough to qualify but it does make us feel better to end the season in the top half. Troy was an emotional end to our tough season but 910 made things a lot easier. We are a super small team with no engineers or teachers and we are super proud of what we accomplished this year. As long as we secure the funding we will for sure be back next year better than ever

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

I'm not sure exactly where the rookie numbers start this year , but there are at least 6 teams who qualified with numbers in the higher 3000s. About 10% rookie seems par for the course.

True, but I think the bigger issue is that an award that probably means more than robot preformance has no effect on if you attend the state championship. Something seems out of wack, I think.

[tracie3538]

Originally Posted by Huskie65

The 5th alliance captain 910 for their second pick choose 3538. The MC got it mixed up with 3539 (3rd alliance captain) and told him (twice) we were unavailable. They poor kid looked so confused and then the MC started in on him with the jeopardy theme and he made another pick. In the stands we thought we heard right but the 910 kid was quiet and the sound was bad so we all just stood there confused instead of speaking up then. We ended up not getting picked and the alliance didn't get out of the first round. It was unfortunate but the event coordinator apologized to our kids and First in Michigan gave us the 5 points for being picked 12th overall (along with the 3115) afterwards.

ya but 910 could've possibly gone farther if they had been able to compete with the alliance they originally wanted.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

By my math, if you went 12-11-1 in qualifying, were the 8th seed's 1st pick twice, and made it to the semis at one event you'd make the cutoff. So, not at the same level as 67 or 33, but a solid robot is definitely a requirement. (Making it to the semis could be traded for two awards or winning 5 more qualifying matches)

I'm not sure exactly where the rookie numbers start this year , but there are at least 6 teams who qualified with numbers in the higher 3000s. About 10% rookie seems par for the course.

My issue is that FIM apparently now defines success as having a good robot - seems like a different direction than the rest of FIRST. Other FIRST events give multiple pathways to success and let you choose which you really want to take (robot, "chairman's", etc) - but MSC is only concerned about the robot.

[Jimmy Cao]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

My issue is that FIM apparently now defines success as having a good robot - seems like a different direction than the rest of FIRST. Other FIRST events give multiple pathways to success and let you choose which you really want to take (robot, "chairman's", etc) - but MSC is only concerned about the robot.

This is not the case. The robot competition part of MSC is centered around the robot, but the culture changing portion of MSC is completely independent of the robot.

Teams that receive Engineering Inspiration or Rookie Allstar who do not qualify for the robot portion of MSC are still invited to present for those awards, which are judged apart from robot performance.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Wow, that's just stupid. So first year teams have to do as well as 67 or 33 to play?

Michigan is all about tough love. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere.

[rmhooks573]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Michigan is all about tough love. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere.

love it

[David Dawson]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

Michigan is all about tough love. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere.

And I wouldn't have it any other way. In Michigan the #1 alliance is always in danger of losing due the the mass amount to strong teams. Having the best and worst pick sometimes isn't good enough to beat a team with 3 all around good bots. Look at Waterford as an example.

[rmhooks573]

Originally Posted by David Dawson

And I wouldn't have it any other way. In Michigan the #1 alliance is always in danger of losing due the the mass amount to strong teams. Having the best and worst pick sometimes isn't good enough to beat a team with 3 all around good bots. Look at Waterford as an example.

either way, states is going to be a bit more challenging than st. louis.

[RyanCesiel]

Originally Posted by rmhooks573

either way, states is going to be more challenging than st. louis. just a sheer fact

We cannot go so far as to say that. There is a bountiful amount of teams outside of Michigan that are top-notch and very competitive. 1114, 111, 2056, 254, and 148 are just some of the teams that are what some would call "perennial powerhouses" and are once again living up to their reputations.

However, I am willing to bet that MSC is the most challenging event prior to St. Louis.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by rmhooks573

either way, states is going to be more challenging than st. louis. just a sheer fact

The Michigan field is deeper. I agree seeding matches at MSC will be more competitive than seeding matches at the FRC Championship. But division eliminations will be the other way 'round. And Einstein will be a whole new level.

I'm looking forward to IRI this year -- expect to see 6 ubertubes, 6+ logos, and 4 minibots in MANY matches.

[rmhooks573]

Originally Posted by Richard

The Michigan field is deeper. I agree seeding matches at MSC will be more competitive than seeding matches at the FRC Championship. But division eliminations will be the other way 'round. And Einstein will be a whole new level.

I'm looking forward to IRI this year -- expect to see 6 ubertubes, 6+ logos, and 4 minibots in MANY matches.

einstein will be just. . . ..chaotic.

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

My issue is that FIM apparently now defines success as having a good robot - seems like a different direction than the rest of FIRST. Other FIRST events give multiple pathways to success and let you choose which you really want to take (robot, "chairman's", etc) - but MSC is only concerned about the robot.

The rest of FIRST, as you put it, apparently defines success as winning. Qualifying for the Championship is, for the most part, a winner-take-all situation. You have to have won the previous Championship, won a previous Championship Chairman’s Award, won a Regional, won the Engineering Inspiration Award, or have won the Rookie All-Star Award.

There are a number of teams who are always the bride’s maid. They always seed high or get picked by those who do, but never walk away with the gold. Their continued high performance should earn them the right to compete in the State championship and not give that up to a rookie who only had to compete with other rookies for their award.

[jyh947]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

By my math, if you went 12-11-1 in qualifying, were the 8th seed's 1st pick twice, and made it to the semis at one event you'd make the cutoff. So, not at the same level as 67 or 33, but a solid robot is definitely a requirement. (Making it to the semis could be traded for two awards or winning 5 more qualifying matches)

I'm not sure exactly where the rookie numbers start this year , but there are at least 6 teams who qualified with numbers in the higher 3000s. About 10% rookie seems par for the course.

If you were in the #8 seed, making it to the semifinals is very unlikely. I can say this because my team went 12-11-1 in qualifying then became the 8th seed captain, twice. My team also won the imagery award, which is worth 2 points. Had we won an award worth 5 points, we would have ended up with 50 qualifying points, thus qualifying for states.

[David Dawson]

I wonder can anyone explain why the rookie inspiration got points instead of the rookie all star.