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Team Update #21

http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...pdate%2021.pdf

Nothing new, just a reiteration of the Q&A about allowable devices during Alliance selection.
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Re: Team Update #21

So does this mean that regionals can't stop teams from using their iPlaid machine for alliance selection, or is it still "house rules"?
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Re: Team Update #21

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So does this mean that regionals can't stop teams from using their iPlaid machine for alliance selection, or is it still "house rules"?
I would assume if you could hand a copy of the team update to the head ref, it would be allowed. However as always, head ref's have the final say, so technically they can overrule it, but I doubt any would overrule a team update.
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Re: Team Update #21

Does this mean you can take a phone onto the field for alliance selections and have a conversation with the people in the stands?
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I would assume if you could hand a copy of the team update to the head ref, it would be allowed. However as always, head ref's have the final say, so technically they can overrule it, but I doubt any would overrule a team update.
It should not have to come down to a team update. I never saw a rule against it and there should have never been any regionals not allowing it.
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Re: Team Update #21

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Does this mean you can take a phone onto the field for alliance selections and have a conversation with the people in the stands?
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“There are no rules that prohibit laptops or team collaboration during the alliance selection process.
These methods are permitted, however the team is expected to make quick and expeditious
decisions in the interest of keeping the process moving.”
I believe that Phones are allowed, or at least if you said that you were collaborating with your team members - which you would be.
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Re: Team Update #21

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Does this mean you can take a phone onto the field for alliance selections and have a conversation with the people in the stands?
<T25> and <T26> would seem to disallow this

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<T25> The only equipment that may be brought on to the ARENA is the OPERATOR CONSOLE, reasonable decorative items, and special clothing and/or equipment required due to a disability. Other items, particularly those intended to provide a competitive advantage for the TEAM, are prohibited.

<T26> Devices used solely for the purpose of planning or tracking strategy of game play are allowed inside the ALLIANCE STATION, if they meet ALL of the following conditions:
 Do not connect or attach to the OPERATOR CONSOLE
 Do not connect or attach to the FIELD or ARENA
 Do not connect or attach to another ALLIANCE member
Do not communicate with anything or anyone outside of the ARENA.
Do no include any form of enabled wireless electronic communication (e.g. radios, walkie-talkies, cell phones, Bluetooth communications, WiFi, etc.)
 Do not in any way affect the outcome of a MATCH, other than by allowing TEAM members to plan or track strategy for the purposes of communication of that strategy to other ALLIANCE members.
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Re: Team Update #21

I think those rules apply to matches and game play, not to alliance selection.
No one is inside the Alliance Station.
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Well, at least the Magic 8 Ball is safe...
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I think those rules apply to matches and game play, not to alliance selection.
No one is inside the Alliance Station.
Please state where in the rules that alliance selection is not included.

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I think those rules apply to matches and game play, not to alliance selection.
No one is inside the Alliance Station.
This is my feeling, as well. At all of our competitions, our team representative has carried an iPad and/or laptop onto the field during alliance selections, devices which carry our aggregated scouting data to help expedite and streamline the selection process for our team. To my knowledge, we have had no problems with event officials refusing to allow these devices on the field.
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<T25> and <T26> would seem to disallow this



Emphisis mine.
By your logic... no one could bring a microphone into the arena... or rollerblades... etc etc... it does not SAY this pertains only to the TEAMS.

It might be necessary to just use common sense... and past practice..
and the update information
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Re: Team Update #21

If all the Game rules apply to Alliance Selection, then everyone gets a Penalty for entering the Field. <G28>
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Re: Team Update #21

At Chesapeake, the ref asked the alliance captain to put his phone away.

I don't see the big deal. If you can't use electronic devices, resort to old technology. We had a dry erase board and marker. Much cheaper than an iPad or phone.

Also, have a pick list made with a few different scenarios. Choose a representative that has been given a walk through of what you expect them to do, just don't give a high school student a list of numbers.
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