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Good Evening Teams,

Before I call it a night, I thought I’d tell you:
As staff arrived today, they told me that St Louis has greeters in the airport and most downtown hotels who are happy to advise teams as they explore the city. I also understand that St Louis has put up signs in the airports, at least one billboard on the highway and lamppost signs in the downtown. St Louis has really gone all out to make FIRST feel welcome.
The pits are set up and the pit administration crew tell me their preparations are on track. They want you to know they’re looking forward to seeing you tomorrow evening.
At last report all but two FRC robots are in the conference center. The last two are scheduled to arrive tomorrow.
The practice fields are complete.
The four competition fields are either complete or in final test mode.
Einstein is 80% set up.
I understand FIRST announced today that will.i.am and his special guests will be performing on Friday night. I haven’t seen the announcement yet, but I imagine teams will have a variety of viewpoints about including a special show in the Championship schedule. I think Collin put it best during one of our staff discussions. This isn’t about FIRST celebrating will.i.am. This is will.i.am and his friends celebrating the mission of FIRST and the amazing accomplishments of FIRST teams. We really are changing the culture when a famous performer interrupts his schedule to host a show in our honor. If this event is made into a television special, we will be able to get the FIRST message into homes across the country and around the world.

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Bill says it best.
To all those who think the concert is a bad idea, what greater way to get the message out about FIRST, than to have Wii.I.Am lead the way.

This is about the smartest thing FIRST has ever done at CMP, despite the issues.
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To all those who think the concert is a bad idea, what greater way to get the message out about FIRST, than to have Wii.I.Am lead the way.

This is about the smartest thing FIRST has ever done at CMP, despite the issues.
I agree with the concept, though think the execution left something to wish for. That being said, I'm psyched to go to the concert, and won't mind the pit-fields 'cuz we're on Galileo!
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To all those who think the concert is a bad idea, what greater way to get the message out about FIRST, than to have Wii.I.Am lead the way.

This is about the smartest thing FIRST has ever done at CMP, despite the issues.
Glenn,

I doubt anyone is truly against the concert. Those of us who are upset seem to be upset solely because two fields have been relegated to the pits (with reduced/inferior seating) in favor of a concert.
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If this wasn't about FIRST celebrating will.i.am, why would they give him twice the space that an FRC division needs? How else could you possibly take that?
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If this wasn't about FIRST celebrating will.i.am, why would they give him twice the space that an FRC division needs? How else could you possibly take that?
my thoughts exactly, next year can we just have the mythbusters do something? i think they'd take up less space and would be much cooler. why couldn't the black eyed peas just perform on Einstein? oh well... good thing i'm on drive team #notinthesmallstands
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To all those who think the concert is a bad idea, what greater way to get the message out about FIRST, than to have Wii.I.Am lead the way.

This is about the smartest thing FIRST has ever done at CMP, despite the issues.
1. How many students' lives will be changed forever by seeing Will.i.am perform? (In person or on TV)

2. How many students' lives would be (and have been) changed forever by seeing/driving/cheering on the machine that they spent nearly 4 months designing, building, and perfecting perform on an actual NFL field in front of thousands of onlookers?

If one single student is robbed of #2 because of #1, then FIRST has its priorities inverted.

(Yes I know that every team will get the chance to be in the dome at some point, but not every team runs the same drive crew or has an ideal robot performance every match)
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If one single student is robbed of #2 because of #1, then FIRST has its priorities inverted.
I'm not taking part in the championship this year, but I can definitely understand your feelings about this. I would be less than happy to play half my matches in the pit because of a concert, even if I really liked the music.

The issue however is more complex than musical taste and match exposure. it involves what FIRST wants and needs as a program.

I'm not sure how FIRST will handle this, but I think we can all agree that if they do it right, it might really give FIRST a boost and may end up really helping the program and lots of teams.

I wish there was a way to eat the cake and leave it whole, but even with the current state of affairs, we may yet look back at this as a good choice on behalf of FIRST.

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I know that FIRST is saying that there is limited but available seating, but if even one kid misses this concert because they don't have enough tickets then its a double insult to that child.

Picture being a kid on a large team that misses the chance to experience the Dome fully and then has to "sit out" because there are not enough tickets. This aspect is not thought out with every child in mind.
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1. How many students' lives will be changed forever by seeing Will.i.am perform? (In person or on TV)

2. How many students' lives would be (and have been) changed forever by seeing/driving/cheering on the machine that they spent nearly 4 months designing, building, and perfecting perform on an actual NFL field in front of thousands of onlookers?

If one single student is robbed of #2 because of #1, then FIRST has its priorities inverted.

(Yes I know that every team will get the chance to be in the dome at some point, but not every team runs the same drive crew or has an ideal robot performance every match)
I would have to respectfully disagree with this.

I believe that the answer to #1 may be much larger than you think, when will.i.am's draw leads people to see what FRC is about and join a FIRST team.

FIRST's mission and vision is about inspiring all (not just FIRST'ers) about science and technology.

Realize also that by doing this, you and your team/robot may well be on a nationally televised event that will have many more viewers by virtue of Will.i.am's involvement. So while you may get less exposure in the dome, you may get more exposure to the public at large.
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1. How many students' lives will be changed forever by seeing Will.i.am perform? (In person or on TV)

2. How many students' lives would be (and have been) changed forever by seeing/driving/cheering on the machine that they spent nearly 4 months designing, building, and perfecting perform on an actual NFL field in front of thousands of onlookers?

If one single student is robbed of #2 because of #1, then FIRST has its priorities inverted.

(Yes I know that every team will get the chance to be in the dome at some point, but not every team runs the same drive crew or has an ideal robot performance every match)
Jared,
No doubt, it's an inconvenience to a large degree for all participants, including us. But I'm sure FIRST would have preferred to avoid the situation if they could have, with discussions on how to best meet the needs of teams and run as smooth as a tournament despite the challenges.

I'm referring to the fact that FIRST will NEVER compete with mainstream music stars, movie stars, and sports figures. As Dean mentions over and over again, it's not what's celebrated in our culture, or even the world.
I see this as a clever way to get the word out to those that matter to our culture.
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I would have to respectfully disagree with this.

I believe that the answer to #1 may be much larger than you think, when will.i.am's draw leads people to see what FRC is about and join a FIRST team.

FIRST's mission and vision is about inspiring all (not just FIRST'ers) about science and technology.

Realize also that by doing this, you and your team/robot may well be on a nationally televised event that will have many more viewers by virtue of Will.i.am's involvement. So while you may get less exposure in the dome, you may get more exposure to the public at large.
I certainly hope you are right. A lot depends on the details of the execution of the television event. Even if done right, I still do have issues with the implementation, and the effect it has on the teams who are competiting.
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To all those who think the concert is a bad idea, what greater way to get the message out about FIRST, than to have Wii.I.Am lead the way.
Looking up the word, dope, after Kick Off to understand the meaning in the way it was used, was not a high point in my FIRST experience. I was hoping that role models like John Glenn were paving the way with engineers like Andy Baker leading the way. Musicians can help celebrate an event and bring their star power to it but that is not the same as leading the way.

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I believe that the answer to #1 may be much larger than you think, when will.i.am's draw leads people to see what FRC is about and join a FIRST team.
That would be nice, except that literally can't happen, since the public is not welcome for the performance.
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