Best defensive robots throughout FIRST

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by sgreco

It was 190, but they were pushing the line of legality, and not legal at some events. Anyone who got a chance to see it would have to agree the infinite rotation of the arm, and many of the other features were quite impressive from an engineering standpoint.

I don't know the rules from Overdrive too well, would you mind informing me as to why it's illegal?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Chris_Elston

Rosie Robotics 839 from 2010. Toughest Defense we've seen. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamThru.../3/Azqfuw4GRpI

http://www.youtube.com/user/TeamThru.../5/80VPnWXZ4Og

No offense to 839 or 1501, but a lot of that defense was definitely by 839 a red card imho (1st vid especially). Aside from the penalty-deserving actions, fantastic defensive bot. But, i don't really want to get into an argument on that, just felt like saying it

[wendells]

Team 2185....ROBORAMS IN 2009 played defensive at Waterloo, GTA and was picked for the quarter finals in CURRIE FIELD.

[quote=wendells;1066022]Team 2185....ROBORAMS

Wait.... THERE'S ANOTHER ROBORAMS??? When did they start? I think we were the RoboRams FIRST, but I don't know when they started.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Duke461

I don't know the rules from Overdrive too well, would you mind informing me as to why it's illegal?
Thanks.

The argument could be made that it was crossing a lane line in reverse. This was a penalty, and a pretty severe one (<G22> was that rule that year, for anybody wanting to look it up--there may have been another one as well).

Regarding the defense played on 1501: There was a big discussion of that at the time. If I recall, the "consensus" was that the defense was borderline, but legal. And that consensus was the result of an argument.

[Molten]

I recall hearing about a team that created a robot that gathered all game pieces at the beginning of the match and then gave them to allies to score. The idea was that the opponent can't score without game pieces. I was told this is the cause of the rules that say "only possess 1 piece at a time". Can anyone confirm this story to be true? If so, what team number and year?

I really am not sure this story is true but it is one that I've heard a long time ago and always loved the idea.

Thanks,
Jason

[ajlapp]

Team 1 in 2000. They had a very simple and clean robot that year.

Their turret arm could be used to guard the lift pipe while they drove back and forth on the ramp.

It was a beast of a machine.

[Hawiian Cadder]

we had an idea this year of mounting a gym fan on top of our robot, and putting every motor allowed on it. parking by our mini-bot tower and locking on. this would have blown all the pieces to our side.

[jblay]

Team 8 in 08 was the only team that seemed to be able to play any defense in that game without incurring penalties.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Molten

I recall hearing about a team that created a robot that gathered all game pieces at the beginning of the match and then gave them to allies to score. The idea was that the opponent can't score without game pieces. I was told this is the cause of the rules that say "only possess 1 piece at a time". Can anyone confirm this story to be true? If so, what team number and year?

I really am not sure this story is true but it is one that I've heard a long time ago and always loved the idea.

Thanks,
Jason

The "One piece at a time" rules came into play in 2007. In 2006 and 2009, multiple were allowed.

The "harvester/hoarder" strategy was discussed in 2006, but I can't think of a single team that implemented it. In 2005, multiple teams grabbed multiple tetras, but because of the large supply, it wasn't an issue--I don't think a single match ran out.

Typically, those rules are only when there is a "limited" supply of game pieces, so either it's necessary to keep teams from hoarding right off the bat, or it's to make sure that the supply doesn't run out too fast.

[Molten]

Originally Posted by EricH

The "One piece at a time" rules came into play in 2007. In 2006 and 2009, multiple were allowed.

The "harvester/hoarder" strategy was discussed in 2006, but I can't think of a single team that implemented it. In 2005, multiple teams grabbed multiple tetras, but because of the large supply, it wasn't an issue--I don't think a single match ran out.

Typically, those rules are only when there is a "limited" supply of game pieces, so either it's necessary to keep teams from hoarding right off the bat, or it's to make sure that the supply doesn't run out too fast.

I must admit that I'm somewhat disappointed to find that the rumored robot is just that. A rumor. I actually heard the rumor back when I started in 2006. I figured it must have happened a few years before that. At least now I finally know that its a rumor.

Thanks,
Jason

[Lil' Lavery]

That "rumor" probably evolved out of the "A-Bomb" move pulled off by 195 and 968 multiple times on their trip to the Einstein finals together. While it was nowhere close to all the balls, 195 did spend large portions of matches running around the field collecting balls, only to feed them to 968 when the final period of the match started. 968 would then go score them.


I've found, almost without exception, that the truly elite defensive teams are the teams with elite drivers. A lot of teams can be an effective defender with an okay driver and robot, but the greatest defensive teams are the ones with the best drivers (almost regardless of robot design or quality).

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by jblay

Team 8 in 08 was the only team that seemed to be able to play any defense in that game without incurring penalties.

With regards to the san jose regional, the refs were just letting way too much slide. They were playing illegal defense in the homezone, but it was just allowed to go.

So I guess you could say the referees are capable of being serious defenders

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by jblay

Team 8 in 08 was the only team that seemed to be able to play any defense in that game without incurring penalties.

If you get a chance, go back and watch some videos of 148 in the Galileo Eliminations and on Einstein. They often went unnoticed in many of those matches (It was hard to out shine 1114 and 217 that year) but they made some really good defensive moves.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by thefro526

If you get a chance, go back and watch some videos of 148 in the Galileo Eliminations and on Einstein. They often went unnoticed in many of those matches (It was hard to out shine 1114 and 217 that year) but they made some really good defensive moves.

I'll second that! 148 saw a weakness in our robot and exploited it for all it was worth. The finals on Einstein may have gone differently if 148 was not on that "Super Alliance".

I'll give props to an under-rated team from this year. 3357 played some of the best defense I saw all season against us at West Michigan. It's too bad they didn't get a chance to play it at either MSC or St. Louis, they could have been a factor.

[2185Bilal]

Even though Team 2185 didnt get to go on to the Champs, they were probably one of the best defensive robot this year (especially in Canada).

Check this video out of 2185 attempting and successfully blocking 1114 from shooting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_NVX...ure=plpp_video

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