Best Team Never To Win at Championships?

[sgreco]

It's been a little while since this discussion has taken place, so I want to re-kindle it. The question is basically the thread title. Who do you think is the best team never to win at Championships?

[Chris is me]

I don't see many teams competing with 2056. Eleven regionals in a row. I don't understand how a team can do that in FRC.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I don't see many teams competing with 2056. Eleven regionals in a row. I don't understand how a team can do that in FRC.

I second that.
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33 also deserves mention, they've been division winner at least twice and were championship finalists a while ago.

[Bjenks548]

469 deserves a mention too (I don't think they've won one). Always very strong competitors. 2010 champtionship finalists, 2011 division finalists, first pick at MSC, ect. Also i second 2056 and 33

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Bjenks548

469 deserves a mention too (I don't think they've won one).

They won in 2003.

[AdamHeard]

233 and 968 are also solid contendors.

It's hard to pick this really, as teams often have series of good and bad years.

[XaulZan11]

Here are some stats of the teams already mentioned and a couple other candidates off the top of my head that seem to be in the discussion. Let me know if there are any mistakes.


2056: 11 regional wins, 1 division win in 5 years
33: 7 'regional' wins, 2 division finalist, 2 division wins in 16 years
233: 9 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 4 division wins in 13 years
968: 4 regional wins, 3 division wins in 10 years
16: 9 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 1 division win in 16 years.
1625: 5 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 1 division win in 7 years.
175: 9 regional wins, 3 division wins in 16 years


Given what they have done in 5 years, I have to give to to 2056. If they keep this up, they will have 33 regional wins and 3 division wins by the time they are as old as 33, 16 and 175, but I expect them to break through before that.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Here are some stats of the teams already mentioned and a couple other candidates off the top of my head that seem to be in the discussion. Let me know if there are any mistakes.


2056: 11 regional wins, 1 division win in 5 years
33: 7 'regional' wins, 2 division finalist, 2 division wins in 16 years
233: 7 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 4 division wins in 13 years
968: 4 regional wins, 3 division wins in 10 years
16: 9 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 1 division win in 16 years.
1625: 5 regional wins, 1 division finalist, 1 division win in 7 years.
175: 9 regional wins, 3 division wins in 16 years


Given what they have done in 5 years, I have to give to to 2056. If they keep this up, they will have 33 regional wins and 3 division wins by the time they are as old as 33, 16 and 175, but I expect them to break through before that.

233 has at least 11 regional wins (TBA only goes back to 2003). They were also Champ. finalists
968 was also championship finalist.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by Duke461

233 has at least 11 regional wins (TBA only goes back to 2003). They were also Champ. finalists
968 was also championship finalist.

I counted 233's wins and got 9. Am I still missing 2?

I didn't count championship finalist for any team because its really only at most 2 more wins than a division winner.

[Duke461]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

I counted 233's wins and got 9. Am I still missing 2?

I didn't count championship finalist for any team because its really only at most 2 more wins than a division winner.

I feel like those would be the 2 most important wins of the year, though.
Ah, i figured out the problem. Somewhere i miscounted once, which puts my number at 10. Then, if you go here, you'll notice that 233 is listed on both alliances for the florida regional (and obviously i didnt notice it the first time). your link says they were finalists there so that makes its 9. sorry for the mess up.

[Adam Freeman]

As much as I love 2056 and all the success they have had in their short existence. Now that 254 is off the list, 233 takes the top spot as "Best Team Never to Win a Championship".

The build quality and ingenuity in their machines is jaw dropping! Many, many teams (us included) have won Championships with machines that can't hold a candle to the engineering marvel of 233s.

I would say that 2056 has to get shut out on Einstein a couple more times before they could steal the position away from Pink.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

[Karthik]

A team who deserves a mention who isn't on this list is 47/51.

For those of you who weren't around in the late 90's, early 2000's, it's very difficult to understand just how good Team 47 was back then.

1996 - Champs Rookie All-Star
1997 - Champs Finalist
1998 - Three regional wins, then got double teamed by the opponents in a 1 v 1 v 1 elimination match, thus helping lead to the removal of the old 1 v 1 v 1 format
2000 - A robot which many FIRSTers consider the best of all time, only to experience a catastrophic broken weld on their arm during the elimination rounds.

During this time period "Chief" was on a completely different level than most of FIRST. I remember thinking that it was just a matter of time until they won a Championship. So their run of success as of late doesn't compare to teams like 233 and 2056, but for their past successes they need to be part of this discussion.

Here's a post I made back in 2003 about a very similar discussion to this one. Kind of ironic looking back at it.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=20

[araniaraniratul]

How about 1717, they should be in the top ten (if not, then best team not to play on Einstein i mean seriously, they lost to world champions two times in a row 2008 and 2009)

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Karthik

A team who deserves a mention who isn't on this list is 47/51.

65/51 won once. I'll give you 47, though.

1717 is good, but when you haven't done better than a division finalist yet... In a year or two, they'll be solidly in there.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Karthik

A team who deserves a mention who isn't on this list is 47/51.

For those of you who weren't around in the late 90's, early 2000's, it's very difficult to understand just how good Team 47 was back then.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=20

This is why Karthik is the man! I guess I didn't realize that 47 hadn't won a Championship duirng their dominant time period.

I need to brush up on my pre-2005 history.

Given the performance of 51 in their first two seasons (Regional winner 2010, Regional and Division winner 2011) , I would say its just a short time before they get the 47 members of the team a championship.