[BB] Bills Blog 07/08/11

[sanddrag]

Smaller trophies? Yeah, that will really catch people's attention sitting in the display case next to the trophies of sports teams....

[AdamHeard]

Not a fan of downsizing trophies again....

Well, they can't make them (the trophies) too small, so I bet it isn't a major reduction.

I find it interesting that they mentioned more regionals, but nothing about districts. Is it still happening?

[sgreco]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

Not a fan of downsizing trophies again....

Me neither. I understand the need to cut costs, but I find it hard to believe that cutting trophy size will really take any significant chunk out of the amount of money they spend. For $4,000 a regional, I think they can afford a small trophy.

I'm curious to know what there solution is for championship bids. I would really like a to see a system similar to districts, but it doesn't seem that they're moving in that direction quite yet (nor can they until FRC team become more densely populated some areas).

[XaulZan11]

I'm pretty sure we haven't done anything with our second trophies, so I would prefer only giving out one trophy instead of downsizing them.

[NickE]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

I'm pretty sure we haven't done anything with our second trophies, so I would prefer only giving out one trophy instead of downsizing them.

For us, one trophy goes to each of our two primary sponsors. I really hope reducing it to one trophy isn't the solution chosen.

[Jon Stratis]

We’re looking closely at the volunteer model in FRC as compared to the rest of FIRST and other youth centric programs. Should we be background checking every volunteer who comes in contact with students?

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised nothing like this has been happening. I know with our team, there's a background check done on all new mentors/volunteers with the team, and then it's repeated every few years.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by eagle33199

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised nothing like this has been happening. I know with our team, there's a background check done on all new mentors/volunteers with the team, and then it's repeated every few years.

This does happen already.

[Nick Lawrence]

I really really hope they don't downsize the trophies again. It's still weird looking at regional win trophies from this year the size of regional finalist trophies from years past.

-Nick

[rachelholladay]

I don't really want them to downsize them or only give us one. We have a 2007 Regional Winner trophy that is large and 2010/2011 RCA trophies that are smaller. People think that means that the Regional Winner one is more important. No. Chairmans in the highest award FIRST gives. The trophies should reflect that by not getting smaller.
FIRST did a background check on me both times I volunteered at CMP but never at the regional level.

[M. Mellott]

The downsizing of awards in general over the years is annoying when compared to the high cost for each event. Having our Smokey Mountain Regional Championship trophy sitting next to the larger finalist trophy from a couple of years ago is sad. Try explaining that this award is just as important or moreso than the one from a few years ago to a new student. They've already gone from participation medals to pins (really guys...hat pins?!?) and charging for medals, now further downsizing? What next...will they be downsizing the Woodie Flowers trophy as well (they better not!)? Smaller banners? District-level Lego League trophies are bigger than many of this years' FRC awards!

I don't want to sound ungrateful, but what's happening to the "Recognition" in FIRST? Recognizing our champions and those teams who others aspire to become is just as important as recognizing our students, mentors, or volunteers. The truth of the matter is that those trophies are important to a lot of people.

Perhaps give out only one trophy but give the option of a receiving a second one after the event, but enough already.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by eagle33199

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised nothing like this has been happening. I know with our team, there's a background check done on all new mentors/volunteers with the team, and then it's repeated every few years.

We supposedly ran background checks on each mentor involved with 3553.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Smaller trophies? Yeah, that will really catch people's attention sitting in the display case next to the trophies of sports teams....

So I haven't posted it but I have a picture of showing that the Championship finalist trophy is significantly smaller than the divisional champion or regional champion trophies and frankly this is comical when you see the two side by side. We thought the greater achievment would mean a bigger or at least comparable trophy.

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

I'm pretty sure we haven't done anything with our second trophies, so I would prefer only giving out one trophy instead of downsizing them.

Or second trophies always go to our primary sponsor. We think that this is an important part of recognizing the sponsor.

Also we have noticed the change in the trophies over the years. At some point I will take a few pictures of the really old trophies just to show how cool some of the awards used to be when they were unique to the game or sponsor in the pre 2001 era of FRC.

[waialua359]

The trophies should instead be restored back to their original sizes.

When we ordered our extra CMP CA trophy, it was $700.
When it arrived, it was broken and I had to take it to a local plastic shop to get it fixed. When I mentioned the price, they were shocked! They could make the equivalent for less than half the price.
Somebody is making money........that's for sure.

Trophy size DOES matter. When you attend outreach events, try to gain sponsorships, or display them at school functions, it emphasizes just how hard it was to earn any trophy at all.

Sure, its not all about winning..............but when you accomplish something and get recognized for it, you want it to represent all the hard work that the students and team put into it.
Personally, I always order extras to give to team member(s) who were directly responsible for the achievement, such as the website award.

I dont work for FIRST, so I cant comment on just how difficult it is to overcome trophy expenses......however, for the price tag of each event teams (sponsors) pay for, its the one thing that shouldn't be cut first.

[Wayne C.]

Originally Posted by waialua359

The trophies should instead be restored back to their original sizes.

Exactly. Whats the point of competing if you get nothing to bring home lauding your success? I thought the kids came first? Just being there isnt enough. Schools recognize coming home with a trophy.
When they shrunk the trophies a few years ago it was a mistake. I cant believe that for all the registration money collected this is the best way they can find to cut costs.

Maybe FIRST should look into better trophy suppliers than taking this direction.