[BB] Bills Blog 07/08/11

[mesamb1]

What about the 6 times the number of regional's as spots for championships?
352 at championship this year
minus 25(founding teams, chairman award winners, last years winners, and last years engineering inspiration winner)
divide by 6(winners, rookie allstars, inspiration, chairman award winners)
= about 55 regionals(not taking off for districts)
meaning FIRST is looking at having about 330 regionals!
that is a ridiculous amount of teams.
but we only had 27 regional in 2004, and next year we will put a strain on championship with all the new regionals.
At that number of teams districts wiil be able to be in every region

[lemiant]

Originally Posted by mesamb1

What about the 6 times the number of regional's as spots for championships?
352 at championship this year
minus 25(founding teams, chairman award winners, last years winners, and last years engineering inspiration winner)
divide by 6(winners, rookie allstars, inspiration, chairman award winners)
= about 55 regionals(not taking off for districts)
meaning FIRST is looking at having about 330 regionals!
that is a ridiculous amount of teams.
but we only had 27 regional in 2004, and next year we will put a strain on championship with all the new regionals.
At that number of teams districts wiil be able to be in every region

What he is saying is that that they are worried about the point in time where the number of spots at championships is lower than the number of teams that directly qualify. The number of teams with a guaranteed spot is equal to 6 times the number of regionals because the winning alliance (3 teams), Chairmains winner, Engineering Inspiration winner, and rookie all-start are all auto-qualified for championships.

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by lemiant

What he is saying is that that they are worried about the point in time where the number of spots at championships is lower than the number of teams that directly qualify. The number of teams with a guaranteed spot is equal to 6 times the number of regionals because the winning alliance (3 teams), Chairmains winner, Engineering Inspiration winner, and rookie all-start are all auto-qualified for championships.

It's time to consider removing the ability to attend championship without having qualified through some means.

[XaulZan11]

If we are talking about efficiencies, giving out two trophies is NOT efficient as some (most?) teams won't 'use' both trophies. Perhaps FIRST should give out 1 trophy at the event but allow teams to order the second one at a discounted price or free. This way teams that want the second trophy (to give to sponsors) can still get it while FIRST doesn't have to pay for the second trophy if its just going to sit in a box.

FIRST does already allow teams to purchase additional medals, trophies and banners here: http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...order_Form.pdf

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

If we are talking about efficiencies, giving out two trophies is NOT efficient as some (most?) teams won't 'use' both trophies. Perhaps FIRST should give out 1 trophy at the event but allow teams to order the second one at a discounted price or free. This way teams that want the second trophy (to give to sponsors) can still get it while FIRST doesn't have to pay for the second trophy if its just going to sit in a box.

FIRST does already allow teams to purchase additional medals, trophies and banners here: http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...order_Form.pdf

If that is the chosen route, I'd like to see the full size trophies come back.

[Chris is me]

I've been thinking about Champs.

Assume a 360 team maximum capacity. Subtract the World Champions (3), HoF (15), and Sustaining teams (6) and you get 336 spots.

Let's be conservative and reserve 6 spots for special additions to the Championship (i.e. the rare 4th regional winner), to round to an even 330.

Michigan has just under 180 teams in their district, and they get 18 spots at the Championship. Right now, all of FRC could fit in just 12 districts of that size. Account for a few years of growth and some odd-sized districts and say that we plan for 16 districts of 180 teams each. That's enough for 2880 teams, and at our rate of growth that will last us quite awhile.

If the only things that qualify you for the championship are those 16 districts, you only need 288 spots reserved. This leaves 42 spots for open registration, even assuming an ideal FRC that has 2,880 teams!

Not only that, but well over half of the event will be there based on their robot's performance, making the Championship more competitive AND more accessible.