Go to Post I always get a little stressed as arm operator, especially with Paul Copioli standing behind me screaming at me. - JohnnyB [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 4 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #31   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 20:39
Grim Tuesday's Avatar
Grim Tuesday Grim Tuesday is offline
Registered User
AKA: Simon Bohn
FRC #0639 (Code Red)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Baltimore MD (JHU)
Posts: 1,607
Grim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond reputeGrim Tuesday has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

I think the most interesting thing here is not what we can do with the kinect, but we we can't. It seems clear that only one person on the alliance can use it, and that person will most likely be the human player, or robocoach a la 2008. This means that there will be two other human players doing something else. Now we just need to figure out what!
Reply With Quote
  #32   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 21:14
apalrd's Avatar
apalrd apalrd is offline
More Torque!
AKA: Andrew Palardy (Most people call me Palardy)
VRC #3333
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Auburn Hills, MI
Posts: 1,347
apalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

To put to rest any myths you guys are circulating, I have data obtained from the beta test information and scrolling through the 2012 LV code.

-The Kinect has a "server" application (written in C#) which communicates with the driver station and Kinect. I haven't looked at the server yet. I do know that the default Dashboard does apparently optionally show Kinect analysis data instead of the camera image.
-The Kinect feeds "virtual joysticks (a few analog axis relating to skeletal angles of arms and buttons relating to hand/head motions) to the robot, which in LV show up as a 5th joystick (Kinect1 and Kinect2, although Start Communication only shows Kinect1 as being populated with data). The actual gesture analysis can be done on the robot end using this data. The user can also request the raw skeletal data (20 points of x-y-z).
-The beta test information instructs us to drive the robot using this joystick. I can only see this going VERY BADLY and hope teams do not attempt to do this in competition. There are a bunch of warnings about safety and learning to use this interface.
-There is no information yet to suggest this is required. There are still 4 USB joystick inputs in addition to the Kinect data.

-We are now using LV 2011. I hope I haven't said too much.
__________________
Kettering University - Computer Engineering
Kettering Motorsports
Williams International - Commercial Engines - Controls and Accessories
FRC 33 - The Killer Bees - 2009-2012 Student, 2013-2014 Advisor
VEX IQ 3333 - The Bumble Bees - 2014+ Mentor

"Sometimes, the elegant implementation is a function. Not a method. Not a class. Not a framework. Just a function." ~ John Carmack
Reply With Quote
  #33   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 21:55
Tom Line's Avatar
Tom Line Tom Line is offline
Raptors can't turn doorknobs.
FRC #1718 (The Fighting Pi)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Rookie Year: 1999
Location: Armada, Michigan
Posts: 2,569
Tom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond reputeTom Line has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by apalrd View Post
To put to rest any myths you guys are circulating, I have data obtained from the beta test information and scrolling through the 2012 LV code.

-The Kinect has a "server" application (written in C#) which communicates with the driver station and Kinect. I haven't looked at the server yet. I do know that the default Dashboard does apparently optionally show Kinect analysis data instead of the camera image.
-The Kinect feeds "virtual joysticks (a few analog axis relating to skeletal angles of arms and buttons relating to hand/head motions) to the robot, which in LV show up as a 5th joystick (Kinect1 and Kinect2, although Start Communication only shows Kinect1 as being populated with data). The actual gesture analysis can be done on the robot end using this data. The user can also request the raw skeletal data (20 points of x-y-z).
-The beta test information instructs us to drive the robot using this joystick. I can only see this going VERY BADLY and hope teams do not attempt to do this in competition. There are a bunch of warnings about safety and learning to use this interface.
-There is no information yet to suggest this is required. There are still 4 USB joystick inputs in addition to the Kinect data.

-We are now using LV 2011. I hope I haven't said too much.
Nope, you haven't. We can talk all about what's going in beta - in fact that's what we're all supposed to do. You can even take screenshots of working code, demoing, etc. Just don't post the documentation, and always add that little "this is only beta, your mileage may vary" addendum. Good to see you guys got accepted!
Reply With Quote
  #34   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 22:47
Phyrxes's Avatar
Phyrxes Phyrxes is offline
Has done the math, have you?
AKA: Dave Button
no team (No Team, Changed Schools)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Gainesville VA
Posts: 489
Phyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant futurePhyrxes has a brilliant future
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Thanks for posting the beta information, now to find out how many of my students have a kinect so my software guys can start playing with it.
__________________
Dave Button
Physics and Mathematics Teacher
Wakefield School
The Plains, VA

“Simplify and add lightness.”
― Colin Chapman, Team Lotus
Reply With Quote
  #35   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 22:49
s_forbes's Avatar
s_forbes s_forbes is offline
anonymous internet person
FRC #0842 (Falcon Robotics)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,160
s_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond reputes_forbes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

For some reason I'm reminded of an Aim High match we were in where the robots all took off before the match started and drove uncontrollably across the field into walls. This is going to be fun.
Reply With Quote
  #36   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 23:05
Tom I's Avatar
Tom I Tom I is offline
Slightly Crazy... slightly
AKA: Tom Indelicato
FRC #0811 (The Cardinals)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
Posts: 171
Tom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to beholdTom I is a splendid one to behold
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by s_forbes View Post
For some reason I'm reminded of an Aim High match we were in where the robots all took off before the match started and drove uncontrollably across the field into walls. This is going to be fun.
If that's the case, I suggest making spare parts of... well, pretty much everything!
__________________
-Mentor-
-UMass Lowell '13-
-Former Team Lead-

Reply With Quote
  #37   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-10-2011, 23:14
Andrew Schreiber Andrew Schreiber is offline
Joining the 900 Meme Team
FRC #0079
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Misplaced Michigander
Posts: 4,082
Andrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond reputeAndrew Schreiber has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Line View Post
Nope, you haven't. We can talk all about what's going in beta - in fact that's what we're all supposed to do. You can even take screenshots of working code, demoing, etc. Just don't post the documentation, and always add that little "this is only beta, your mileage may vary" addendum. Good to see you guys got accepted!
Andrew Schreiber likes this.

Seriously, this is how things should be.
__________________




.
Reply With Quote
  #38   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 00:02
kenavt's Avatar
kenavt kenavt is offline
Registered User
AKA: Colin S
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 253
kenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond reputekenavt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Line View Post
Nope, you haven't. We can talk all about what's going in beta - in fact that's what we're all supposed to do. You can even take screenshots of working code, demoing, etc. Just don't post the documentation, and always add that little "this is only beta, your mileage may vary" addendum. Good to see you guys got accepted!
This is all terrific, but if you don't mind me asking: What's wrong with posting the documentation? I'm sure there's a reason I'm missing.
__________________
University of Michigan Computer Engineering '17

FRC 2337 student alumni (2010-2013)
Reply With Quote
  #39   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 00:03
rachelholladay's Avatar
rachelholladay rachelholladay is offline
Registered User
FRC #1912 (Team Combustion)
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Slidell, Louisiana, USA
Posts: 540
rachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond reputerachelholladay has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by akoscielski3 View Post
Do you know who shipped it? Was it FedEx?
FedEx delivered it this morning.

Everyone one our our beta test team is both excited for such new software and nervous as to how difficult it might be to implement it. Time will tell. Based on previous FIRST experience using the Kinect probably wont be mandatory (like the Cypress Board from Beta Testing in 2009) but will greatly help. So possibly something with the endgame? Im also going to take a gander that the Kinect will be part of the field, where teams wouldnt be responsible for bringing their own and then setting it up and connecting it to the FMS everytime, as that could prove buggy. Ive done field reset many times and any way they do it seems like it will present a challenge to the field crew.
__________________
Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science Class of 2017
2012 Dean's List Winner, 2011 NWCIT Award of Aspirations in Computing National Winner

2014 - : FIRST Team 3504 Girls of Steel (Mentor)
2014 Engineering Inspiration

2006 - 2013: FIRST Team 1912 Combustion (Webmaster / Controls Capt / Beta Test Lead / Drive Capt / JrFLL Coach)
2013 Woodie Flowers Finalist for Wendy Holladay. 2010 - 2013 Regional Chairman's Award at the Bayou Regional. 2011 - 2012 Best Website at the Bayou Regional. 2010 - 2013 Beta Test Team for Hardware and LabVIEW. 2012 JrFLL State Expo Coordinator.
Reply With Quote
  #40   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 00:34
MagiChau's Avatar
MagiChau MagiChau is offline
Registered User
AKA: Michael Chau
FRC #0085 (B.O.B. (Built on Brains))
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Zeeland, Michigan
Posts: 875
MagiChau is just really niceMagiChau is just really niceMagiChau is just really niceMagiChau is just really nice
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom I View Post
If that's the case, I suggest making spare parts of... well, pretty much everything!
Double zip-tie everything so at least nothing falls out causing a penalty.

I am excited to see what will happen with the Kinect. I will be looking into available information before kickoff but unsure if I and our team can invest the time during the season into making something of our own considering our current programming plans. Does sound like a very fun tool to have work though.

Last edited by MagiChau : 08-10-2011 at 00:38.
Reply With Quote
  #41   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 00:42
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,832
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavt View Post
This is all terrific, but if you don't mind me asking: What's wrong with posting the documentation? I'm sure there's a reason I'm missing.
It's a really simple reason, too:

You post the documentation, and it happens to have a bug/error/similar nuisance. Maybe it's caught and corrected, maybe not.

4 months later (you know, middle/end of build), some other team finds that documentation that you posted, with the bug, and follows the directions exactly--despite the fact that a) it's beta documentation and b) the bug has been fixed and the fix posted (elsewhere).

Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen? Well, if the documentation isn't published, it sure isn't likely!
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

Reply With Quote
  #42   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 08:49
PayneTrain's Avatar
PayneTrain PayneTrain is offline
please put down the gun
AKA: Lizard King
FRC #0422 (The Meme Tech Pneumatic Devices)
Team Role: Mascot
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: RVA
Posts: 2,275
PayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Am I under the impression that every team is getting a FRC II cRIO in their kit this year?
Reply With Quote
  #43   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 08:49
Steven Donow Steven Donow is offline
Registered User
AKA: Scooby
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 1,335
Steven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond reputeSteven Donow has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by PayneTrain View Post
Am I under the impression that every team is getting a FRC II cRIO in their kit this year?
You are, and the video does imply that, but I believe that's not the case; however looking at dates Bill posted a few weeks ago, they should be available for order by now.
Reply With Quote
  #44   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 10:26
rsisk's Avatar
rsisk rsisk is offline
The GURU Channel
AKA: Richard Sisk
FRC #2493 (Robokong)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Riverside, CA
Posts: 2,750
rsisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond reputersisk has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to rsisk
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

The question of the cRIO II was cleared up someplace official, sorry I don't have a link. It will only be in the rookie kits. Veterans have the opportunity to pick up a low cost version before some deadline.
__________________
Quote:
The views expressed are mine and should not be construed to represent the views of anyone else.
Reply With Quote
  #45   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-10-2011, 10:32
Andrew Lawrence
 
Posts: n/a
Re: [BB] Something to end your week

Quote:
Originally Posted by rsisk View Post
The question of the cRIO II was cleared up someplace official, sorry I don't have a link. It will only be in the rookie kits. Veterans have the opportunity to pick up a low cost version before some deadline.
My memory is horrible. Aside from being lighter, what are the advantages of the cRIO 2?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 14:18.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi