First Official 2012 Game Hint

[Thad House]

This also includes parts that come in the KOP as well.

[Chexposito]

please note the 2500 signal lights we get every year, this is the total order not for just one field

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Chexposito

please note the 2500 signal lights we get every year, this is the total order not for just one field

Good Catch.

Looks like that's the only KOP Item on the list though, unless some of the items are rookie KOP only. (Currently have ~2300 teams registered, no other item comes close to that.)

[Clourchn07]

Just an RPI 316 Alumni's opinion, but this is a crazy list...

As stated before: lights of colors have been used for tracking with camera which has gone away recently, could be back for auto.

The counter is interesting as as the photoswitch.

This list combined with the rumors of using kinect software/items makes me think this will be some kind of HP position where you have to run to an area and act as a pressure switch as in years past.

Just a thought... Good Luck FIRST, I miss you all so much!

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by linuxboy

I think there are three possibilities as to what its a list of:
The list of new parts that RA is giving to FIRST this year
The BOM for all the fields put together
The BOM for one field.

I personally think that it is the list of items per field because the 6 DC power supplies and the 6 Ethernet/IP armor blocks, are things that I think I have seen inside of the scoring IOs / SCCs (particularly the Ethernet/IP armor blocks). Last year there were three of those Ethernet/IP armor blocks per alliance (one for team lights & stop buttons on the SCC, and one per scoring IO, of which there were two per side).

My impression is that this is the total list of parts that Rockwell is donating to FIRST this year. It includes KoP items, as others have pointed out. It includes game-specific field elements, like the sensors others have discussed. And it includes items for the new fields FIRST is building (per Bill's Blog, there are two new fields this year, bringing the total to 19) - those new fields will require all new electronics, like the DC power supplies and Ethernet Blocks you've pointed out.

[KevinGoneNuts]

Thoughts collected so far:
-Unsure if this list is in total or per field.
-IR sensors used to see if something breaks the plain (kind of like a garage door if I'm not mistaken?)
-Counters count how many times a break in the plain occurs.
-Aim High revamp?

Thoughts to think about:
-Does this have any correlation to the choice of having a pre-recorded kick off?
-In autonomous, I see the robots having to break the plain of the IR senors, with the direction of the human player/driver using the connect.

Did I miss anything?

[linuxboy]

Originally Posted by eagle33199

My impression is that this is the total list of parts that Rockwell is donating to FIRST this year. It includes KoP items, as others have pointed out. It includes game-specific field elements, like the sensors others have discussed. And it includes items for the new fields FIRST is building (per Bill's Blog, there are two new fields this year, bringing the total to 19) - those new fields will require all new electronics, like the DC power supplies and Ethernet Blocks you've pointed out.

After seeing the KOP stuff, I think your right. I'm guessing that there will not be scoring IOs. (6 ethernet blocks, 1 per SCC, 3 SCCs per field (1 blue, 1 red, 1 spare), 2 fields). All that really amounts two is there are not two scoring elements to be triggered per alliance.

Oliver

[hbhyatt]

Rockwell Automation specializes in automation control and we know we are receiving a Kinect in the KOP and there are infrared sensors and very high speed counters on the hint list. More focus on robot control between driver/robot or robot/game piece, maybe?

[Elgin Clock]

A quick Google search for the part number with the highest quantity (855PB-B12ME522) revealed that in the past it was used as well:

"1/team from Michael Hunt, Kendall Electric, 269‐963‐5585
rest from http://shop.rockwellautomation.com "

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=855pb-b12me522&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQFjAB&url=h ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.usfirst.org%2FuploadedFiles%2FWher e%2520to%2520get%2520more%2520Rev%2520A.pdf&ei=XSX ZToDrMePz0gHorPz_DQ&usg=AFQjCNHxgShUjhVv0hM7AzIqBe WTztTLag&cad=rja

How many teams do we have competing this year that need one?

[Chris_Elston]

Little background for those that don't know me. I am a Controls Engineer who uses Rockwell products on a daily bases. I also own a website mrplc.com. I thought I would link up all the parts to PDF incase the students are curious so everyone could see along with my commentary about each one.

I tried to just weed through what I have noticed on the field and what I think is new. I also typed this up at lunch and was in a hurry and did not really check my grammar or spelling so sorry about that...

The bottom line of below is there are alot of new count sensors on the field this year. The rest of the BOM (bills of materials) are the standard parts we have seen before.

BEGIN BIG OLD LIST....

1492-CJ6-2
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf
Nothing special with these parts, they are terminal blocks. They are found in the panel that houses the stratix network switch and power supplies. Typically the lights above the driver station, e-stop input and all things related to the red and blue alliance walls are terminated in these boxes. This would include anything with the series 1492, as this series AB numbers are terminal block and connectivity.

1492-CJ6-3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1492-CJ6-4
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1492-EAJ35
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1492-EB3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1492-0P3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...p001_-en-p.pdf
Circut breakers in the red and blue alliance junction boxes. It's good to have power protection. Nothing abnormal here.

1492-W4
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf
More terminal blocks.

1492-W4-G
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1492-WFB4
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf

1585A-DD4JD
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf
These are industrial CAT5 cables. The field uses a Compact Logix PLC I believe last time I looked in the big black box one year at CAGE MATCH, and all the communication between the PLC, the Stratix Network switch, and the I/O blocks are done with EtherNET I/P. EtherNET I/P is a fieldbus protocol championed by them and AB released this to "ODVA". The point of the matter is that anything industrial generally has a better grade CAT5 cable, most of the time CAT6E rated cable that is shield. A better quality cable that you are going to find at your radio shack store, and also have the option of using a standard "M12" mm screw connector which gives the CAT5 cable a sort of "IP" ingress protection. Anything below that starts with 1585 have to do with standard field cables that connect all the communication between all the devices, PLC, HMI (touch screen), Armor I/O blocks etc.

1585D-M4TBDM-0M3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf

1585D-M4TBJM-1
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf

1585J-M4TBJM-0M6
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf

1585J-M4TBJM-5
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf

1606-XLP100E
http://literature.rockwellautomation...p009_-en-e.pdf
Power supply unit found inside th red and blue alliance junction box, seen these before. There are actually two of them in the box, one that is a standard 24 VOLT and the other one is 12 VDC. This one was added to supply the PC Class Mates when you bring your driver station to the wall is what I noticed one year. All other devices, such as the driver alliance lights etc, use 24 VDC as the standard voltage. This is an industry standard.

1606-XLP50B
http://literature.rockwellautomation...p005_-en-e.pdf
This is the 12 VDC power supply I mentioned above.

1732E-16CFGM12
http://literature.rockwellautomation...n004_-en-e.pdf
These are the I/O blocks at the end wall as well red and blue alliance. Where all the I/O connection happen, not really anything special once again, we have seen these blocks before.

1738-AENT
http://literature.rockwellautomation...n017_-en-e.pdf
Now here is where is gets interesting....this is an EtherNET I/P node slave module. It requires an IP address and then is configurable to "stackable" I/O modules. You can build your remote I/O station with these AENTs. They are very flexible. QTY (63) slave units is alot...There is alot of I/O here.

1738-VHSC24M23
http://literature.rockwellautomation...n011_-en-e.pdf
And once again, these are the stackable modules that plug into the AENT module and appear as I/O. This is a special module to register INPUT data. It's considered a REMOTE I/O block that terminates local sensors. Then transmits it's data from a sensor, to the AENT module, which then sends the data up to the PLC via Ethernet I/P. QTY (252) high speed count modules is an awful lot of modules...Add that to the Emitter and Transceiver BEAM photoeyes below, and you got yourself somewhat a high speed counter.


199-DR1
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a913_-en-p.pdf
Standard DIN RAIL, to mount all the components in an electrical enclosure, your power supply, terminal blocks, and circuit break already mentioned would mount on this rail.

2711P-T10C4A6
http://literature.rockwellautomation...n029_-en-p.pdf
These are the standard touch panels that you see on the corner of the field. I have seen QTy (4) per field. This is what the scoring refs use.

42SML-7100
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a501_-en-p.pdf
These are those photoeyes the beam sending unit that will probably be wired to the high speed input modules above. AKA, a game piece counter of some sort, high speed for some reason.

42SMR-7100
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a501_-en-p.pdf
These are the receiving unit for the part number above. As others have already said, when the light beam is broken, it typically resisters an input condition which is probably counted in the high speed module and up to the PLC to keep track of.

60-2152
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a501_-en-p.pdf
Brackets for the above sensors.

800F-1MM2
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf
We have seen these, this is the plastic box that holds the e-stop button at the driver station. The button you never wanna hit.

802B-CSDDBSLD4
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a505_-en-p.pdf
This is a new sensor I have not seen on the field. Once again probably another counting sensor for the game piece. QTY (168) of these is alot of limit switch sensors for the field.

855E-LL24B
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf
These are the LED modules at the scoring table, part of the stack light that tells the scoring people when all the robots have communications.

855E-LL24R
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855PB-012ME522
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf
This is the amber light in the kit of parts. It's required to be located on the robot and connected to the RL output on the digital side car. With QTY (2500) that means that BOM item was placed in the KOP. That's alot of lights over the past 3 years I remember using them! Can you imagine being a part supplier for FIRST? You would need to supply QTY (2500) of the parts...wow..

855T-B00XN7
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-B24TA1
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf
Part of the scoring stack light, nothing special the TONE you hear when all robots are ready, then the stack light goes GREEN.

855T-B24TL3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-B24TL4
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-B24TL5
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-B247L6
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-BCBC
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

855T-BPM10
http://literature.rockwellautomation...g001_-en-p.pdf

879D-F4AET5M-1
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a500_-en-p.pdf
This is a standard cordset for industrial sensors. It's a "Y" cable. Typically you use these when you have an emitter and transceiver sensor setup. One half of the Y cable has power only to the transceiver sensor. Typically the BLUE wire is 24 VDC common, the BROWN wire is 24 VDC hot. The other side of the "Y" cable has the input wire. It would use the BLUE and BROWN for power, then the BLACK wire is the signal wire for the emitter half of the sensor.

888D-M4AC6-0M3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf
The rest of this is cordsets for said sensors.

888D-M4AE1-0M3
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889D-E4AE-2
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889D-F4AE-5
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889D-F4AEDE-10
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889D-R4ACDE-10
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889D-R4ACDE-5
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889M-V12AH-5
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

889N-R4AF-6F
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf

9324-RLD000ENE
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf
Non-development license of RS Logix 5000 (typically used for maintenance people). Only allows upload and download of PLC ladder.

9324-RLD300ENE
http://literature.rockwellautomation...a001_-en-p.pdf
Standard license, but they purchase two licenses, so that must mean FIRST has QTY (2) field development engineers as that is two licenses. It would be neat to live near headquauters, I wouldn't mind seeing if I could get involved in the development of the field scoring system. I use this software EVERYDAY at work. It's called ladder logic.

[IndySam]

Great job Chris

/end thread

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by hbhyatt

Rockwell Automation specializes in automation control and we know we are receiving a Kinect in the KOP and there are infrared sensors and very high speed counters on the hint list. More focus on robot control between driver/robot or robot/game piece, maybe?

Clearly, the endgame will be an autonomous minibot using the Kinect to control the robot...

[IndySam]

I love the tennis ball idea and I also agree that they are too small for a FRC robot.

PS Wilson makes 9" tennis balls, Aim High part 2.

[JohnBoucher]

Originally Posted by IndySam

Great job Chris

/end thread

DITTO

[Jon Stratis]

a 9" tennis ball... seems not too many places carry those (I only found 3 places in the twin cities) as they are designed mostly for use as conversation and autograph pieces. That definitely goes with the "hard to obtain" game piece rule!