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Re: Battery Beak

And just to clarify one point:

Surface charge will NOT cause the Battery Beak to read a 'Bad' battery as 'Good'. I would stake my reputation, my company and my NON ANONYMOUS user name on it.
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Do users need to be concerned at all about the battery temperature affecting the readings (e.g. cold trailer in the winter, hot trailer in the summer)?




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Is this true even if the battery has been charged at a rate higher than 6 amps, and is hot?

Yes, surface charge is weaker than deep charge. This behavior causes a small increase in internal resistance as measured by the Beak. This increase, if the battery's internal resistance is within 10% of the threshold between 'Good' and 'Fair' or 'Fair' and 'Bad', could only cause a battery's status to appear worse than it would be if the battery had been properly rested. This is one of the reasons the 'Fair' Status exists, otherwise it would just be 'Good' or 'Bad'. If a battery is that close to the threshold you should probably reserve it for practice only.
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Re: Battery Beak

I know some other teams have used the CBA III from West Mountain radio as a battery analyzer, and I'd speculate there are others available. I like that the Battery Beak is all self contained and does not need a computer interface. Is there anything else that compares? I just want to look at all available options before I go buy one.
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I know some other teams have used the CBA III from West Mountain radio as a battery analyzer, and I'd speculate there are others available. I like that the Battery Beak is all self contained and does not need a computer interface.


The CBA series of testers measure battery capacity by applying a load until a specified cutoff voltage is reached and then calculating capacity in Amp Hours, the Beak measures battery internal resistance by applying two different loads and then calculating internal resistance. Both tests are of value and important to understanding the health of your battery. What the beak provides is a quick way of assessing the health of your battery between capacity tests at competitions without completely discharging your battery.

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Is there anything else that compares? I just want to look at all available options before I go buy one.
Internal resistance testers have been around for years, but most of them are very expensive. As far as I know the Beak is the only internal resistance tester that was specifically designed around the types of batteries used in FRC, VEX and FTC.
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