Special thanks to everyone who joined in tonight, it was fun.
Cast chat (just the cast section, for those of you who hung around after for the post chat discussion... well I'm not posting that stuff)
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<Chris_Nettles> Tape delay time.
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<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1090356&postcount=19
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<schreiaj> Mark, are you going to call in?
<Chris_Nettles> schreiaj, that's a ridiculous controls board.
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<schreiaj> just make fun of Dustin for being a twig
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<thefro526> Andrew, I hate you
<thefro526> Mark, did you call in?
<Mark_McLeod> Yes
<SuperNerd256> Nice fro Dustin!
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<schreiaj> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1090356&postcount=19
<thefro526> Current hair.
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<Mark_McLeod> Okay, I can hear, How do I dial in, by phone?
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<Mark_McLeod> primitive
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<thefro526> 98466# < is correct.
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<Meredith16> Zondag is awesome!!! We had our anniversary dinner with him and his wife and the Rifes.
<Baselthe2nd> (Michigan is awesome)
<apalrd> (Michigan is pretty awesome)
<SuperNerd256> California's cool too!
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<andybaker45> herhehehhe
<SuperNerd256> WHAT?!
<andybaker45> yeah, the dinner at Mary's parents house with Billfred and Chris was pretty cool
<andybaker45> Chris didn't say much
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<Meredith16> Ok. I have been topped, Andy.
<Baselthe2nd> It's all talk until you prove it on the field?
<SuperNerd256> You don't have teams like 330 and 254 in Michigan.
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<SuperNerd256> Yup.
<apalrd> but we have 67 and 217 and 469 and a championship of our own
<Baselthe2nd> That was Akash one time, I think.
<Alpha_Beta_FRC1986> Finally made an account.
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<Guest 2> oh wait i do have an account
<Baselthe2nd> Chief Delphi!
<Chris_Nettles> I was just tired of waiting on the recording to listen in.
<SuperNerd256> I'd pay to see that too!
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<SuperNerd256> 330 is the pioneer of the simple robot!
<Baselthe2nd> 254 is comparable
<SuperNerd256> I prefer not to think of 2008...
<schreiaj> (For reference, Dustin and I are just trash talking)
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<Sunbun> there we go
<SuperNerd256> Ok, replace 330 with 973.
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<Baselthe2nd> Probably shouldn't've been a 3rd pick..
<schreiaj> no, someone screwed up
<SuperNerd256> Emperor swerve.
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<Baselthe2nd> More than a half dozen Einstein appearances, if you count 148 and 217..
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<Baselthe2nd> I actually don't know how much he was involved.
<Baselthe2nd> I was just kinda throwing it out there.
<SuperNerd256> YES!
<Chris_Nettles> Definitely
<apalrd> yes
<Bryan33> Excuse me, am I suppose to be able to hearing stuff?
<schreiaj> yes
<Chris_Nettles> Exam exemptions are both a great thing and a horrible one.
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<Chris_Nettles> Points as in raw score/qualifying/coopertition?
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<andybaker45> point system - is this for FiM and MAR only?
<schreiaj> no, MAR/FIM
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<SuperNerd256> And the other 3%?
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<schreiaj> We'll discuss it tomorrow :P That's what my 2 hr phone call with Jim was about today
<SuperNerd256> ok
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<Baselthe2nd> When it says "Recorded Live" is that actually Andrew's voice? Because it sure sounds like it.
<schreiaj> No, that's canned
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<Baselthe2nd> Okay.
<SuperNerd256> YEAH WEST COAST!
<Guest 17> KP from 2890
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<michaelblake> Hi Richard! Coming back to Alamo in March?
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<SuperNerd256> How likely is a team to drop out of a regional?
<SuperNerd256> And when do you find out if you make it to another event?
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<Baselthe2nd> Yep
<andybaker45> week 5
<Baselthe2nd> SMR was a pretty competitive regional, too
<apalrd> 09
<Baselthe2nd> Or for cases like 51
<andybaker45> Mark is very soft on the audio
<SuperNerd256> Mark, speak up!
<schreiaj> http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php
<andybaker45> 23
<schreiaj> ^ stats we are talking about
<andybaker45> 2001
<andybaker45> Mark's right
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<andybaker45> Mike Bastoni is the lead mentor for 23, he has been an active WFA judge since 2003
<andybaker45> Mike got involved with BBIQ
<schreiaj> very cool
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<SuperNerd256> Labor intensive, but totally worth it.
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<Meredith16> 6 from Arkansas!!!
<SuperNerd256> California's getting too populated for the amount of regionals we have now.
<SuperNerd256> We're getting more regionals, though, so that's good. about 5 more regionals in the next few years.
<Baselthe2nd> TX, MN, MI, and CA were 4 of the top 5 team # regions..
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<Sunbun> a lot of LA veteran teams had to "settle" for central valley, i noticed
<Baselthe2nd> Florida.. wasn't.
<SuperNerd256> Yeah. CV filled up pretty quickly.
<Chris_Nettles> Our team has already considered driving to another town to find sponsorship.
<SuperNerd256> We're on the wait list, but we're probably not getting on, unless someone backs out.
<SuperNerd256> How far Chris?
<Chris_Nettles> About 50 miles
<schreiaj> Chris, with the way Floridians drive that's about a 2 hr drive
<andybaker45> the Montreal teams seem to be working together to support these new teams
<SuperNerd256> Huh. Are you just sponsor dry where you are, or do you have connections.
<schreiaj> These old people can't drive
<SuperNerd256> haha
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<schreiaj> (rich can't drive )
<Chris_Nettles> We're sponsor dry. We are in a small town with very few non-corporate businesses.
<SuperNerd256> That;s no good. Come to California! If you know how, you can get any sponsor you want! There's a sausage place in Sacramento that sponsors teams.
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<michaelblake> Money problems in Texas!!!
<Chris_Nettles> Ha, my family owns a sausage plant. They donated some meat for a luncheon fundraiser. It made a bunch of money but it was quite a task to pull off dur
<Meredith16> FIRST HQ is yowling at me because I didn't want to start more than the 6 teams I targeted for this year. We are trying to ESTABLISH teams
<Chris_Nettles> ing build season.
<SuperNerd256> ha
<michaelblake> We won our regional (as a rookie); went to the CMP... and raising $$ here in Texas is a struggle...
<SuperNerd256> *ha was like a laugh, not like saying ha ha
<SuperNerd256> Going to champs helps
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<SuperNerd256> You need people, too. Not just $6500
<SuperNerd256> 256, not 2056.
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<Alpha_Beta_FRC1986> We had a tapering grant program in Kansas City starting at $10,000 first year, $7,000 2nd, and $3,500 third year.
<thefro526> Sorry about that Andrew L
<andybaker45> 2nd or 3rd year
<SuperNerd256> No problem.
<thefro526> (real name is Andrew Lawrence, correct?)
<andybaker45> are the hardest
<thefro526> Andy, seems 3/4 around here
<SuperNerd256> Correct Dustin.
<thefro526> once that 'zomg Robots' wears off
<Bryan33> My guess is that most rookie teams are too overwhelmed to realize that they even need to fundraise.
<michaelblake> You need a minimum of $15k to run a decent program... $20k-$25k would be better... of course, this doesn't include travel/room/food...
<pyeung45> they year when andy baker leaves is probably the hardest
<pyeung45> *the
<Baselthe2nd> No matter whose responsibility it is that teams fail, we want it to be as easy as possible for a team to be successful..
<SuperNerd256> I agree with Andy. 2nd or 3rd year is when you start becoming more serious, and have a lot more to do.
<SuperNerd256> What Pyeung said.
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<Meredith16> Michael, that is correct. I tell them $15K minimun.
<schreiaj> Michael, I would agree except for district areas
<Sunbun> so should students immediately start fundraising for the second year before their rookie season starts?
<SuperNerd256> Yes
<Bryan33> 4th year is when all the origional students are gone.
<schreiaj> students should be fundraising all the time
<Sunbun> ^
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<thefro526> < always trying to get money for robotz
<SuperNerd256> In fact, they're serious, they should start fundraising as soon as possible. Why watch EWCP? Leave now and fundraise!
<Chris_Nettles> Schreiaj, can I quote you on that?
<schreiaj> That students should always be fundraising? Chris where are you, I'll come and preach it to your students in person :P
<andybaker45> agreed
<Meredith16> But it is a lot easier to attract sponsors with a robot to show off...
<michaelblake> Hi Meredith!! Hope all has been well...
<Alpha_Beta_FRC1986> We had a different head coach each of our first 3 years.
<Sunbun> a slip of paper that says "fundraise now" in big bold letters... should be a new addition to KOP
<SuperNerd256> Students should be the ones fundraising, with the mentors encouraging it. Students don't learn anything if the mentors appear with money.
<Meredith16> Hi Michael...going great...busy in Arkansas!
<Chris_Nettles> Lake City, FL. The rookies just don't seem to get the concept of fundraising.
<schreiaj> EWCP will donate that
<Alpha_Beta_FRC1986> Most of the adults still help out in some way, but didn't want to take the lead 2 years in a row.
<schreiaj> Little outside my driving range.
<SuperNerd256> Sustainability cast: 10/16/11
<schreiaj> http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-98466/TS-548226.mp3
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<andybaker45> what do you mean "Quantify the loss of a team?"
<Baselthe2nd> Not to make an odd comparison, but 3rd world countries have much higher birth and death rates than industrialised countries.
<Baselthe2nd> Maybe we need a better medical system
<SuperNerd256> That's why we're making engineers.
<Baselthe2nd> Montana has teams?
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<andybaker45> within Indiana, three teams are folding. each have their own reasons. Two have excellent reasons, but one is because the teacher can't build a team
<SuperNerd256> Is there a state without teams?
<schreiaj> If we lose a 10 yr team what effect does that have on the area? Is this effect different in MI vs in SD
<schreiaj> Andrew, SD has 0 teams
<schreiaj> Alaska has 0
<michaelblake> From what I've seen in Texas... the fall-off in rookies is directly related falling-short on the funding...
<Meredith16> SD has a 3 yr old FLL program and their OP, Head Ref and another key volunteer were killed in a plane crash this week.
<SuperNerd256> After college I will create the first Alaskan team!
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<schreiaj> Disregard that about Alaska
<SuperNerd256> Awww.
<schreiaj> I was operating on old data
<Guest 32> Iowa Teams ->167, 525, 967, 3928 - big gap between last two teams
<michaelblake> AND having mentors dedicated enough to figure what gets the team to the next-level in the second season.. NO ONE wants to struggle TWO years in a row
<Baselthe2nd> Michael, I've heard some Texas FRCers have noted a lack of mentors. Have you had any problems with that?
<thefro526> I believe 44 was the first Iowa team
<thefro526> IIRC.
<Guest 32> Yes 44 - 3928 could have restarted as 44 but wanted rookie funding
<Meredith16> I had one FRC team lost in AR and they are doing FTC - they just weren't ready for FRC...
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<andybaker45> team 40 - their lead sponsor is heavily involved with VEX on a corporate level
<schreiaj> Intelitek
<thefro526> Intellitek
<thefro526> <3 EasyC
<Baselthe2nd> Looking at it from that context, then we didn't really lose Team 40. They're still inspiring.
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<michaelblake> NO PROBLEM attracting mentors for 3481... we've had good fortune to recruit some new mentors that have been involved with a well-known powerhouse...
<SuperNerd256> /away
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<Guest 29> what happened to 40?
<Meredith16> NO. AR is Arkansas...
<schreiaj> http://robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/dockbots-12.html
<andybaker45> how many Vex teams are there?
<schreiaj> no idea, it isn't exactly easy to get that data
<schreiaj> I'd have to crawl all the event pages and grab teams
<thefro526> Meredith, sorry on the AK/AR reference.
<Baselthe2nd> Any chance they quit because of the district system? :P
<michaelblake> Meredith... remember we talked in KC... PLEASE use me as resource for rookies to speak with and I can reinforce the benefit of finding a veteran AR..
<Meredith16> That's okay. I just want full credit for our 6 rookies
<Baselthe2nd> I could understand some UP teams, but I don't think it should be a huge problem for MAR.
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<Meredith16> Michael, of course I remember you! My rookies are geese at this point...or ducks...can't herd them yet..
<michaelblake> team, like we did with 148, and I can give pointers on how to have a good rookie season and what they need to put in place to keep things progressing.
<Baselthe2nd> Unless they have a "favourite regional," I guess..
<Guest 17> What is the status of the district events system - past 3 years FiM, 2012 adds MAR, then 2013 adds MN, who else is scheduled to transfer over?
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<Guest 12> new england
<Guest 12> looking at 2013 or 2014
<Meredith16> Texas? California? I hear those are next.
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<Guest 12> would include CT, eastern and upstate NY, MA, VT, NH, ME
<SuperNerd256> We're getting a lot more regionals in the next few years
<Guest 17> I figured MN TX CA NY would have gone before MER
<Bryan33> Districts really require a lot of volunteers. Not all areas can support them yet.
<schreiaj> ^
<Baselthe2nd> It does seem to be the case that FIRST wants to move to the district system, perhaps universally.
<Guest 12> problem with NY is there are three distinct areas in state wit high team densities
<Guest 12> and buffalo and NYC are 8 hours away
<jwfoss> NY would not be included in a NE districts
<schreiaj> Detroit and Houghton are 10 hrs away, 12
<SuperNerd256> SVR is more of a northern California regional
<Guest 17> is where a min number of teams required to allow for transfer over to district system?
<schreiaj> There are not real set requirements 17
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<Bryan33> There isn't a min.
<schreiaj> TBH, no one really knows, MAR is the first expansion
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<Sunbun> not that many teams on the road from vegas to LA
<schreiaj> the FIM model was NOT intended, in Michigan, to be the reference implementation
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<SuperNerd256> Jim Beck, NorCal FIRST director said California would stay away from districts since new regionals are coming.
<Baselthe2nd> Andrew, that doesn't seem obvious. I'll take your word for it, but when it looks like they'll apply the same rules to MAR as FiM..
<schreiaj> I said INTENDED
<schreiaj> FIM did not mean for it to be the reference but FIRST may dictate it
<Baselthe2nd> Ah, understood
<Guest 17> as more areas transfer to the district system that could/will effect those regionals near by
<Bryan33> Well, once everyone is in the district system then you should be able to go anywhere.
<Baselthe2nd> Do you think exceptions are forthcoming?
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<schreiaj> Basel, exceptions are not forthcoming and you can derive the reason yourself pretty simply by looking at FIRST's annual report
<Baselthe2nd> Is this Justin? Where are you?
<jwfoss> im not in on the call
<schreiaj> It is Jack, he is in Troy NY
<jwfoss> just that chat
<Baselthe2nd> Ah, my bad.
<SuperNerd256> Get arrested. haha
<jwfoss> 118 to CT?
<Sunbun> fresno
<Sunbun> seems like the LA regional road show's split between SD and fresno this year
<SuperNerd256> A Mexico team is coming to SVR
<Baselthe2nd> Like the Brazil event that one time?
<schreiaj> mmm brazil regional
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<andybaker45> papers! let me see your papers!
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<andybaker45> (police in Germany)
<jwfoss> 1676, 2016, 125 trying NYC this year
<andybaker45> 118 came to Chicago last year, so this is no colder
<schreiaj> I KNOW NOTHING!
<Baselthe2nd> Lots of Michigan in Chesapeake: 27 and 217, as well as the 3 Robodawgs teams (216, 244, 288)
<Chris_Nettles> Ugh, 233.
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<andybaker45> no
<andybaker45> 88 has been strong lately
<andybaker45> 88 has not taken a year off
<mwibbels> 359 and 60 are coming to Utah - will be fun
<SuperNerd256> More food....
<Baselthe2nd> They must have a lot of students/mentors to build that many robots
<Bryan33> I happen to know that they use over $100,000 every year..
<andybaker45> ugh
<andybaker45> ball drive
<Guest 17> 3 NH teams (138 166 1519) to NC regional
<thefro526> (Andy can you bring the ball drive back? <3)
<andybaker45> neat, but a huge waste of resource
<thefro526> It was so cool.
<SuperNerd256> We can barely make 1...
<pyeung45> well we could just get the old one up and running again...
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<andybaker45> is Chesapeake at Baltimore this yar?
<Sunbun> 1155/2265 same school, but 2265 is all girl
<Guest 37> yes it is
<SuperNerd256> Central Valley regional has a lot of powerhouse teams
<Baselthe2nd> San Diego seems to have lost a lot of the firepower from last year
<SuperNerd256> SVR has a lot of rookies
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<SuperNerd256> SVR also has a team from Mexico.
<SuperNerd256> A lot of teams are leaving the Davis regional that usually go. Going for Central Valley
<schreiaj> Madera is gonna be a party
<SuperNerd256> Yup
<schreiaj> < is inspecting at Madera
<Sunbun> fun times in fresno
<SuperNerd256> Hopefully we make it so you can inspect our bot
<michaelblake> Oh... Hi Andy! LOVE the fact that I can NOW get all my pneumatics needs supplied by AM... Ha! PLEASE keep adding to the inventory...
<Guest 17> 3 IN teams (461 1646 1747) to DC
<SuperNerd256> 1717 is going
<andybaker45> Thanks, Michael!!
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<SuperNerd256> It was 2nd registration
<SuperNerd256> I'd pay serious money to see a match like that
<schreiaj> Watch the MSC webcast
<Sunbun> nv
<Bryan33> MSC should be on tv again this year.\
<SuperNerd256> Most likely Texas regionals
<SuperNerd256> Dallas, I think
<mwibbels> dallas east
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<Baselthe2nd> Just Dallas east so far
<mwibbels> championship
<Meredith16> 148 is going to dallas east and alamo. they are waitlisted for one more...
<mwibbels> not in alamo
<Meredith16> yes, she is...
<Baselthe2nd> Their Team Twitter says they're in Alamo
<andybaker45> Queen City regional is new event, but has many veteran teams attending
<Sunbun> alamo's packed already right now
<mwibbels> and the roster doesn't include alamo - waitlisted?
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<Baselthe2nd> Okay, is there confirmation that a district team winning at a regional qualifies that team for the Championship?
<Baselthe2nd> I've seen no evidence, and I've looked
<Sunbun> vegas
<Baselthe2nd> Does that include award qualifications?
<Sunbun> 968's only regional is vegas, not sure if they're waitlisted for a CA regional
<Baselthe2nd> EI or RAS?
<jsneer> 968 los vegas?
<schreiaj> EI/RAS would be the only qualifying awards
<michaelblake> The Alamo Regional Director told me that 148 was confirmed for Alamo Regional... I guess the system hasn't updated yet...
<Meredith16> 968 is waitlisted for another regional and the cmp
<Baselthe2nd> Okay, thanks.
<Guest 37> you can't submit for chairman's outside of MAR if you are a MAR team??
<andybaker45> 987 is kinda maroon
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<Sunbun> 987 is maroon and white...?
<andybaker45> 2007 winning alliance... all maroon teams
<Mark_McLeod> FIRST clears teams from the waitlist after the RD confirms it, so there is a lag. HQ has traditionally been a bit slow at that.
<Baselthe2nd> I know you can win qualifying awards though. 141 won EI at a regional last year.
<schreiaj> use his dustin.benedict@ewcp.org
<Guest 37> ok, thank you
<andybaker45> 190, 177, 987
<Baselthe2nd> Northville kinda counts
<andybaker45> Dallas was new last year
<DrTheta> New York?
<Sunbun> toronto kind of, the splitting between two weekends
<Sunbun> but not really
<Meredith16> Dallas isn't new. just wasnt a double before this year.
<Sunbun> spokane?
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<Baselthe2nd> Toronto West is also kinda new, being a different venue, etc.
<mwibbels> 294 is coming up to Spokane
<Chris_Nettles> Canadian Tire Money?
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<Meredith16> I'd take $25,000 Canadian for new teams!!!
<michaelblake> Andy, I think you mean Alamo Regional (San Antonio) was new last season...
<schreiaj> I'd take 25k canadian for... "teams"
<andybaker45> yes... when was Dallas new? It happened last year
<andybaker45> so, Dallas is definitely not new this year
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<andybaker45> 296 - strong Canadian team
<Meredith16> Ha! We are "centrally located." Please remember that when planning your 2013 regional competition picks.
<andybaker45> they were the 1st int'l team who won Champs - yes
<andybaker45> 2006
<schreiaj> ty Andy
<Sunbun> north dakota regional
<Sunbun> >_<
<Meredith16> Arkansas wants one....at University of Arkansas in Fayetteville.
<Baselthe2nd> Well, of course
<andybaker45> 188 is the grandfather CA team
<Baselthe2nd> Canada has been strong
<SuperNerd256> Grandfather CA team, eh? I'll have to go visit grandpa!
<michaelblake> Meredith... we'll make it a priority to go to your first AR regional, hopefully, in 2013 !!
<SuperNerd256> Oh, CA being Canada
<SuperNerd256> Not California
<Meredith16> That would be great...if we can just get FIRST to agree!
<Baselthe2nd> Pretty sure one of the Montreal oganisers posted on Chief that only the awards would be in English
<schreiaj> grandfather CA? Rich?
<SuperNerd256> What are the specifications for a team to register for the championship?
<Baselthe2nd> With a lot of regionals, it averages out
<andybaker45> and most winning alliances only have 3 teams
<Guest 17> FiM 18 slots & MAR 12 slots for championships
<schreiaj> When planning though don't you have to assume worst case?
<thefro526> G17 that is not confirmed.
<SuperNerd256> 254 will win for sure. They haven't lost SVR to date.
<Baselthe2nd> You can get a pretty good handle on the #.
<andybaker45> because it always happens
<Baselthe2nd> It's not a real possibility if it's that unlikely.
<Meredith16> I expect Hall of Fame will cease to be an automatic soon...
<SuperNerd256> Why do you say that Meredith?
<Meredith16> Just a hunch..nothing more. and something has to give.
<Baselthe2nd> Meredith, I hope that is not the case.
<SuperNerd256> True...
<Sunbun> what happens if they increase the cap for CMP
<Guest 37> do you think 2 more teams will get in since 2 dropped out?
<Meredith16> Team 16 certainly hopes it is not the case! And the travel coordinator, ME, surely does!!!
<Meredith16> I wish they would do 8 divisions...
<Baselthe2nd> I've love to get a 4th CA team or a 2nd EI team.
<schreiaj> Id love to see another RAS
<SuperNerd256> 16 should come to California again! But not to SVR. We'd like to not get blown out of the water by another team.
<Baselthe2nd> How many teams preregistered for CMP this time last year?
<pyeung45> Go 8 divisions
<mwibbels> 8 divisions would be a hoot
<andybaker45> unless the CHP can handle more teams
<Baselthe2nd> Michigan only gets one.
<schreiaj> one sec basel
<Bryan33> I really believe that preregistering for the CMP will disappear in the next 5-7 years.
<andybaker45> but, FiM and MAR get more plays for their $
<SuperNerd256> One does not simply preregister into Championships.
<schreiaj> Basel, that's not in my data set
<Baselthe2nd> @AndrewL hahahahahaha
<apalrd> In FIM, they re-award the 9 point-based spots to the next highest teams
<apalrd> the 9 award-based spots are not re-awarded
<thefro526> aplard, nothing is certain
<thefro526> and that's all I can say.
<Baselthe2nd> Palardy, it's 18 teams, so if any team gets two spots for awards and winning, their extra spot goes to the 10th ranked team.
<Meredith16> Point system for CMP?
<Sunbun> east and west championships sounds plausible, at least until points
<Baselthe2nd> 18 teams that were not preregistered qualify from MSC regardless of anything.
<thefro526> Point System for the CMP makes me nervous Meredith
<thefro526> I've seen HQ's point system
<thefro526> it's not the best.
<Meredith16> well... yeah..
<thefro526> IMO, for the moment, HoF should get auto qual
<thefro526> RAS, EI, RCA/DCA should be auto qual
<SuperNerd256> Maybe just regional -> states -> Champs
<thefro526> along with 3/4 winners.
<Baselthe2nd> I think that was me, actually.. Heheh
<andybaker45> East - West Championships... then do a summit at IRI
<Meredith16> IRI is the real CMP anyway
<Bryan33> heh, IRI is the real championship.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Sunbun> the all-star game?
<Bryan33> Except 254 wasn't there.
<SuperNerd256> Even better!
<Sunbun> mm
<schreiaj> Andy, we still on for EWCP summit at AndyMark before IRI?
<Meredith16> 254 could have been
<Baselthe2nd> 148 wasn't there either.
<SuperNerd256> Yeah, but then you know the outcome would have been different
<andybaker45> yes, we can have a EWCP summit during the week before IRI
<Bryan33> I think they were going to go, but then decided not to.
<SuperNerd256> I liked 148's '11 bot. Wish it was there
<Guest 17> the reason FIRST going to push district systems to increase the # of levels before getting to the championship
<SuperNerd256> I like their '09 bot best though
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<Baselthe2nd> I had a couple design-gasms with 148's robot this year.
<SuperNerd256> I disagree. It's FIRST robotics, not FIRST show up to a competition without a robot
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<Baselthe2nd> Andrew, I can neither confirm nor deny.
<Meredith16> A FIRST team without a robot is just sad.
<schreiaj> Basel, it is a fact that it happened, I just dont recall the year
<Baselthe2nd> I'm not doubting that at all, I mean on the year.
<michaelblake> How do Rookie All Stars traditionally fare in performance at CMP?
<Meredith16> Michael, with rare exception...not good
<Bryan33> I think the rookie highest seed needs to go.
<Baselthe2nd> 2337 as a RAS qualifier to the CMP in 2008 was pretty good..
<Bryan33> Also there is sooo many design awards.
<SuperNerd256> How many Rookie all-stars are there, and how well on average do they do?
<Meredith16> and 1625 and 3138...rare exceptions.
<DrTheta> What about 3rd qualifying robots on winning regional alliances?
<michaelblake> Well, not to be controversial... but, that's A LOT of slots that could be opened up...
<Guest 37> that kind of happens with Deans List (where just the team members goes)...but of course its nothing compared to RAS
<Meredith16> We are all about controversy and, Michael, it would open a lot of slots.
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<rsisk101> Dean's list is an individual award, that's why it's not a similar situation, same as WFFA
<Baselthe2nd> Like FTC with the captains-only qualifiers.. I don't think that's too popular.
<Bryan33> thats what ive been thinking about.
<Sunbun> RAS is pretty much JV chairman's, right?
<SuperNerd256> Talk about it!
<SuperNerd256> I like that subject
<pyeung45> so would teams just be traveling out for 1 day to CMP if they aren't competing with robots?
<thefro526> I can't say anything on it
<Bryan33> I know Jim will talk alot about that if you bring it up tomarrow
<thefro526> there would be a lot of F*** and S*** words
<SuperNerd256> A lot of Funs and Science words?
<schreiaj> Bryan, I know...
<schreiaj> fun... sciency words
<schreiaj> very technically correct
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<SuperNerd256> I'm alright with 20+ matches!
<thefro526> I'm done being mad.
<thefro526> Got this under control.
<pyeung45> 4 day regionals!!!
<Baselthe2nd> Which.. the FiM system... does
<Baselthe2nd> Ranks over several events..
<Bryan33> Like a district system does for the championship event.
<Sunbun> having 10 matches is part of the strategy, no amount of matches would produce a ranking that everyone would be satisfied with
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<thefro526> gonna stop talking
<SuperNerd256> Rank by individual robot performance based on what the robots do. For example, if your robot is defensive, base score on how good you are at defense.
<DrTheta> Another issue is with an 8th seeded alliance winning, where the order of their second and third picks are essentially arbitrary
<Baselthe2nd> NFL seems fine with 16 matches?
<Guest 37> i just think it would make scouting A LOT easier..
<Meredith16> You can't get a team-specific ranking with random alliance partners doing who knows what. Maybe you don't score so the rookie can get experience, etc.
<schreiaj> how many teams Basel?
<Baselthe2nd> 32...
<schreiaj> do they all play each other?
<SuperNerd256> @ Merideth. I wouldn't go easy to let a rookie get experience.
<schreiaj> < is not a NFL fan
<Baselthe2nd> Not even close.
<Baselthe2nd> Teams play 13 opponents a year
<Sunbun> the only way to increase matches for a 3 day event is to get rid of some practice matches, start at 6am, or increase the duration of the event
<schreiaj> So I would claim their ranking is BS.
<SuperNerd256> I'd help a rookie all the way, but not preform under my capabilities.
<schreiaj> Or run 4v4
<Bryan33> In some ways 2010's ranking system made sense. Minus the cooperatition.
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<SuperNerd256> No 4v4
<SuperNerd256> Rank by individual robot performance based on what the robots do. For example, if your robot is defensive, base score on how good you are at defense.
<thefro526> <sorry for being angry fro
<Sunbun> 7 or 8's pretty bad, 10's okay, 12's good, but i feel any more than that'll result in diminishing ... something
<Sunbun> returns
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<Guest 37> well that brings up the problem of too many robots at CMP..
<Guest 38> 4v4 isn't happening this year
<schreiaj> no it isnt
<Baselthe2nd> I think venues would have issues with fitting 4 teams at one station
<SuperNerd256> Nope.
<Baselthe2nd> Just thinking of Kettering here
<Guest 38> would be nice
<Bryan33> Vex runs two fields and it works very well. The logistics of scaling up is what gets you.
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<Chris_Nettles> VEX robot controller? I'll see you guys at FTC Worlds.
<SuperNerd256> I want the game pieces to move by themselves so field reset can't get them
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<apalrd> I would be quite happy with a FRC-ized version of the VEX Cortex. It's a really nice controller.
<Sunbun> they could code the bot in brainf***
<thefro526> hahahaha
<thefro526> sorry again guyd
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<thefro526> guys**
<SuperNerd256> I'd like to see a separate event for those top tiered teams
<Baselthe2nd> Something has to give. Hopefully FIRST figures something out?
<thefro526> I didn't mean to go bats*** crazy I just hit on some points that mean a lot to me.
<SuperNerd256> So that the other teams get a chance.
<rsisk101> You are still on my christmas list Dustin
<SuperNerd256> haha
<thefro526> <3 you Sisk
<thefro526> Not happy with HQ at the moment
<thefro526> makes me kind of crazy
<thefro526> (more than usual)
<SuperNerd256> email Dean. Complain
<SuperNerd256> JK. Don't.
<thefro526> E-Mail those with power
<Chris_Nettles> I'll e-mail Dean.
<thefro526> Dean doesn't have much to do with the day to day ops, IIRC
<Baselthe2nd> Hire Dave! He's magic!
<Bryan33> Dean is actually pretty understanding to many of these points. Jim and FiM had a meeting a couple months ago about some of this stuff.
<SuperNerd256> Ha.
<SuperNerd256> I'd like to go to Dean's house, walk right up to his doorstep, look him in the eye, and say, "......YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!"
<michaelblake> Isn't a good resource to supplement data is the "fantasy" regional rankings in CD... the wisdom of the "crowd"?!
<Sunbun> except when people miss their draft time and the top three picks go to the rookies, but...
<Baselthe2nd> Does just the recording end at 11 or the entire window?
<schreiaj> dustin.benedict@ewcp
<schreiaj> andrew.schreiber@ewcp
<schreiaj> cast@ewcp.org
<SuperNerd256> Can I join the cast and say "Hi Mom!!!" before it ends?
<SuperNerd256>
<SuperNerd256> Thanks!
<SuperNerd256> No, it's fine.
<SuperNerd256> I won't ruin the cast for everyone.
<SuperNerd256> Perfect!
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<rsisk101> is his mom listening to the cast? That is cool
<Baselthe2nd> Andrew Lawrence, any relation to Nick? j/k
<SuperNerd256> Not that I'm aware of.
<SuperNerd256> I'd love to be like cousins with Nick Lawrence
<rsisk101> w00t
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<Baselthe2nd> Thank you Mark for all the data!
<rsisk101> What is the next cast?
<Baselthe2nd> Thanks to the cast members for another great cast!
<SuperNerd256> AWWWW
<SuperNerd256> Does that mean we get a cast 1 week early?
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<schreiaj> http://ewcp.org/blog/2011/12/11/ewcpcast-build-2012/
<Guest 37> 27 days till kickoff!
<rsisk101> And don't forget, EWCPcast is on iTunes
<schreiaj> Maybe, it depends on how fast we can pull together the guests, it is wrapping the year up right imho
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<rsisk101> Dang, Loving IT!
<rsisk101> great lineup
<Baselthe2nd> Hopefully that doesn't interfere with FRCTop25
<SuperNerd256> YAY!
<Chris_Nettles> On the night before kickoff, all through the shop, not a single mechanism was running, they all had been stopped.
<SuperNerd256> lol
<Baselthe2nd> past 11, everything is still going. Wait, what?
<schreiaj> yes
<Baselthe2nd> I thought it kicks us out.
<SuperNerd256> Merry Christmas!
<SuperNerd256> EWCP
<Baselthe2nd> My holiday: Winter Break
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<Bryan33> 'Night Guys, Great job as always!
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<SuperNerd256> Thank you Mark! Great job!
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<Baselthe2nd> That definitely wasn't Andrew
<Meredith16> Merry Christmas everyone!
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<michaelblake> Hey! I'm from Long Island... Deer Park...
<Sunbun> northrop's everywhere
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<Baselthe2nd> Detroit Regional wasn't at Wayne State?
<michaelblake> Is it true that Alamo at 64 teams is one of the largest regionals?
<Baselthe2nd> About 50/50 I tihnk
<rsisk101> Lake superior is 66 teams
<rsisk101> NY City is 64
<Guest 47> iirc ct is around 61
<Baselthe2nd> I don't think I can talk about the comparison of experience, have never been to a Regional..
<rsisk101> Oregon is 64
<Sunbun> 63-64 is the mode, i think
<SuperNerd256> lol
<thefro526> anyone who wants to call in can
<rsisk101> LA is 66 teams
<thefro526> it's kind of BS for an hour or so
<rsisk101> wait, was the last two hours?
<rsisk101> ;>
<Baselthe2nd> Heh, Kettering
<rsisk101> Actually, NYC is 66 teams as well
<Baselthe2nd> Barely enough seating for 40
<Baselthe2nd> 4 Houghton teams..
<Guest 17> UP
<Baselthe2nd> Probably about a half-dozen UP total
<Sunbun> the glove and the UP
<Sunbun> or is it mitten
<Sunbun> yes
<SuperNerd256> SoCal is pretty much it's own country. It's isolated from NorCal, and Central is just awkward
<mwibbels> yes spokane is in eastern washington
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<mwibbels> cheney
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<Sunbun> washington state university?
<mwibbels> eastern washington state
<Baselthe2nd> Dustin, can I get a link to that map?
<mwibbels> palouse desert
<mwibbels> 15 teams this year I think
<mwibbels> in Idaho
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<SuperNerd256> Only 15?!
<Sunbun> hahah
<SuperNerd256> Lol
<mwibbels> ha ha
<SuperNerd256> Potato batteries.
<mwibbels> beet powered
<Sunbun> a 20-way tie for the innovation award
<SuperNerd256> Their robots are all edible!
<Sunbun> to the state of idaho
<Baselthe2nd> Ahaha...
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