Go to Post One of the most important resources of all: [URL="http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/"]The Manual[/URL] - lorem3k [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 10:16
TroyCDH's Avatar
TroyCDH TroyCDH is offline
Registered User
FRC #2450 (Radierbots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Saint Paul Minnesota
Posts: 31
TroyCDH is on a distinguished road
Build Table

Assembling a robot on a solid bench always leads to frustration when you are trying to reach from underneath. Gears and chains are always a pain to reach from below. Attaching a bolt from underneath the robot is always tight on a solid table.

Having the robot sit on the wheels is another pain when you are testing the drive train and need the wheels to spin. Not mention a little safety hazard if the wheels moved unexpectedly and drove the robot off a solid table.

So I was thinking of a pedestal mount style work bench. Wheels are not in contact, and you would have 10 or so inches of space underneath to get your hands and tools in place.

Built from wood 2 x 4's and plywood. Pedestals have an angle to help center the robot when you are setting it onto the bench. You need to know your frame dimensions and wheel placement before you build the bench.

Thoughts? Better past ideas out there?

http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/...robotcart1.jpg

http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/...robotcart2.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 10:30
Akash Rastogi Akash Rastogi is offline
Jim Zondag is my Spirit Animal
FRC #2170 (Titanium Tomahawks)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Manchester, Connecticut
Posts: 7,003
Akash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond reputeAkash Rastogi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

Drop some lockable casters on there. Instead of using the outer members to hold up the robot, on 11 we used to use 80/20 on the top rails that actually hold the robot so that you can just adjust the dimensions easily each year. There are magnetic surgical trays on there to hold any fasteners and it also has a tool tray. This is the old cart though, new one is bigger, has a build in toolbox, and has new speakers

Old:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...3_125259_n.jpg

New:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7jiWBnTd_f8/TWw9m4TlN2I/AAAAAAAAFdg/iekm5ccR4Ck/DSC_1105.JPG
via www.mort11.org
__________________
My posts and opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my affiliated team.
['16-'xx]: Mentor FRC 2170 | ['11-'13]: Co-Founder/Mentor FRC 3929 | ['06-'10]: Student FRC 11 - MORT | ['08-'12]: Founder - EWCP (OG)

Last edited by Akash Rastogi : 14-12-2011 at 10:34.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 10:34
Chexposito's Avatar
Chexposito Chexposito is offline
Registered User
AKA: Expo
FRC #1730
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 272
Chexposito is a glorious beacon of lightChexposito is a glorious beacon of lightChexposito is a glorious beacon of lightChexposito is a glorious beacon of lightChexposito is a glorious beacon of lightChexposito is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Build Table

Solid table is always best, hands down, if you drop something it doesn't end up half way across the shop under heavy equipment. If you're looking to get under the robot in the shop just have someone tilt it and hold it there or keep some lifts for the robot, which can be as simple as some 2x4 blocks of wood to robot jack stands (made by students). i would only create a custom work area for the robot cart, but usually it's just easier to make everything accessible from above.
(2x4 blocks laying long instead of standing, where the 2 side is on the table)

Last edited by Chexposito : 14-12-2011 at 10:40. Reason: safety
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 10:34
Taylor's Avatar
Taylor Taylor is online now
Professor of Thinkology, ThD
AKA: @taylorstem
FRC #3487 (Red Pride Robotics)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Indianapolis, IN, USA 46227
Posts: 4,601
Taylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond reputeTaylor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

If 148 had a table like this, we may not have ever seen Tumbleweed in 2008.
Be careful that the table design does not quash creativity or innovation. Design it so that it may adjust to the size/geometry of the robot.
__________________
Hi!
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 11:57
JohnSchneider's Avatar
JohnSchneider JohnSchneider is offline
Registered User
FRC #3310 (Black Hawk Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Dallas
Posts: 778
JohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond reputeJohnSchneider has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

Here is the new cart we made/had cut. It just got back from the powdercoaters so it's currently pieces in the corner. It'll be put together this weekend. Dimensions are 30" wide, 40" long 16"tall with a 48" tall handle that's removable and storable in the bottom tray(A la 148).




The top sports arrays of obround holes and custom made wheel clamps that slide and adjust to any size/location of wheel for any year. This keeps the robot firm.



The bottom tray also has a few hundred 1/4" holes in it. This makes it extremely versatile in terms of adding things later(Battery mounts etc would rivet straight in), but will probably support a nice mat right now.

Btw it looks great in Black B)
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 12:04
JohnBoucher JohnBoucher is offline
Blue Shirt
FRC #0237
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Watertown, CT
Posts: 2,927
JohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond reputeJohnBoucher has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

237 uses a rolling table with big locking casters and drop sides. You can open up sides as needed. Wooden blocks are stored under for when you need to raise the drive train off the table. Nice part is you can spin it and move it from room to room.
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 15:38
Aren Siekmeier's Avatar
Aren Siekmeier Aren Siekmeier is offline
on walkabout
FRC #2175 (The Fighting Calculators)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: 대한민국
Posts: 735
Aren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond reputeAren Siekmeier has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

The shop we've been in the last years has several solid benches scattered around the room, and each year when our robot gets to the point where we want access to both the top and bottom, we put the robot across two of them, with a gap in the middle. Then we just slide in underneath on a rolling platform to get at everything underneath. Of course we have to be careful to keep the robot from sliding off into the gap, but this is easy enough (traction wheels basically do that for you). And then we have an open benchtop on either side to do work on, and can easily access all levels of the robot - underneath, middle, and up top (standing on the bench).

Here's a photo that shows basically what I'm talking about:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029613...4435839820 50

Safety is always top priority, so make sure that whatever you do, your heavy robot is not going anywhere and people working on the robot aren't in any danger.
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-12-2011, 18:08
DonRotolo's Avatar
DonRotolo DonRotolo is offline
Back to humble
FRC #0832
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Atlanta GA
Posts: 7,011
DonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond reputeDonRotolo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Build Table

Many of our assembly tasks are done on the solid rolling table, but for under-bot access we just put it on our competition cart. It is made from 1.5" 80/20, has a 3-drawer Craftsman tool cabinet (with latching drawers) at each end, with a flat top. There are four "legs" that come up to support the robot. These legs need to be reconfigured for different robots - usually just relocating them (trivial with 80/20) so the 'slots' in the ends fit onto the chassis securely.

Dropped objects land on the cart's top.

An advantage is that, at competition, the tools are always with the robot. Disadvantage is that the cart weighs in at about 200 pounds.

When push comes to shove, we have a fixture made from 2x4s that supports the robot frame several inches above the table.
__________________

I am N2IRZ - What's your callsign?
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 15-12-2011, 08:13
Jimmy Nichols's Avatar
Jimmy Nichols Jimmy Nichols is online now
Mentor,QCR Planning
FRC #1038 (The Thunderhawks)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 1,012
Jimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond reputeJimmy Nichols has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to Jimmy Nichols
Re: Build Table

A couple of 4x4's on either end is usually good enough for most tasks under the robot. Anything else more intricate and we have someone hold it on its side or lay it down.
__________________
Jimmy - Lead Mentor, Pit Boss, Miami Valley FRC Regional Planning Committee
Lakota Robotics - FRC Team 1038

2013 - Crossroads Team Spirit,Quarter-Finalists - Queen City WFFA - Paul George,Quarter-Finalists - Ohio FRC State Championship Champions
2012 - Queen City Volunteer of the Year,Team Spirit,Finalists - Smoky Mountains Engineering Inspiration,Quarterfinalists
2011 - Pittsburgh Semifinalists - Buckeye Engineering Excellence Award,Coopertition Award,SemiFinalists
2010 - Pittsburgh Judge’s Award,Quarterfinalists - Buckeye Industrial Design Award,Finalists - IRI Mentor Round Champions
2009 - Buckeye GM Industrial Design,Champions
2008 - Midwest Engineering Inspiration,Quarterfinalist - IRI Semifinalist
2007 - Pittsburgh Motorola Quality,Finalist - Buckeye Rockwell Automation Innovative Controls,Finalist - Championship Newton Quarterfinalist
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:54.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi