<G28>

[Bochek]

<G38> Robots may not touch an opponent Robot in contact with its Key, Alley, or Bridge.
Violation: Foul; Technical-Foul for purposeful, consequential contact.

This rule applied at all times, no matter who initiates the contact, see [G44].


<G44> Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.


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You can intentionally cause fouls.

I'm Shocked.

[Tetraman]

*cough cough*

[G45] Strategies exploiting rule [G44] are not in the spirit of FIRST and not allowed.
Violation: Technical-foul and Red Card

[seg9585]

Based on this rule, it looks like you can receive a foul on your own side of the court if you are close enough to the opposing team's alley, and the opposing team comes to your side of the court and initiates contact with your bot while still partially in contact with its own alley.
Is this interpretation correct?

If this is the case, it seems possible to me that a robot can be in contact with its own key while at the same time make contact with an opposing robot in its own alley. (There's only 59" separation between the alley and key at the minimum).
In this situation, who is assigned a penalty?? Both teams??

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by seg9585

If this is the case, it seems possible to me that a robot can be in contact with its own key while at the same time make contact with an opposing robot in its own alley. (There's only 59" separation between the alley and key at the minimum).
In this situation, who is assigned a penalty?? Both teams??

Oooo, that's a good one for the GDC when Q&A opens!

[Tetraman]

Originally Posted by seg9585

Based on this rule, it looks like you can receive a foul on your own side of the court if you are close enough to the opposing team's alley, and the opposing team comes to your side of the court and initiates contact with your bot while still partially in contact with its own alley.
Is this interpretation correct?

If this is the case, it seems possible to me that a robot can be in contact with its own key while at the same time make contact with an opposing robot in its own alley. (There's only 59" separation between the alley and key at the minimum).
In this situation, who is assigned a penalty?? Both teams??

It would be based on who hit who. If Red Alliance on their Key hits Blue Alliance in their Alley, Red alliance is called for the foul. If Blue Alliance in their Alley hits Red Alliance in their Key, Blue alliance is called for the foul. It's whomever does the move first. At least that's my interpretation and this is a good question to pose to the GDC.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Tetraman

It would be based on who hit who. If Red Alliance on their Key hits Blue Alliance in their Alley, Red alliance is called for the foul. If Blue Alliance in their Alley hits Red Alliance in their Key, Blue alliance is called for the foul. It's whomever does the move first. At least that's my interpretation and this is a good question to pose to the GDC.

I don't believe this is the case. I believe that BOTH teams will get penalized, due to <G44>

<G44> Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.

[Tetraman]

Yea, good call Daniel. I retract my comments and state again it's a good question for the GDC.

[seg9585]

I will definitely ask this, but one thing I did notice -- the penalty is a foul. A foul simply awards 3 points to the opposing team.
If both teams are penalized, each alliance receives 3 more points, so effectively there's no point advantage for either alliance (they cancel each other out).

[SenorZ]

I expect Team Update #1 to address some ambiguities like this.

[Ninja_Bait]

In the meantime, many teams are thinking of ways to build kitbots and just repeatedly touch opposing robots in their key and alley. Three points a touch is way easier to get than three points a hoop!

[MrBasse]

Keep an eye out for <G45> though...

[G44] Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.
[G45] Strategies exploiting Rule [G44] are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed. Violation: Technical-Foul and Red Card

So if they are looking at ways to gain points by making contact and forcing fouls, the season is going to be a depressing one for them.

[koo_04]

Originally Posted by Ninja_Bait

In the meantime, many teams are thinking of ways to build kitbots and just repeatedly touch opposing robots in their key and alley. Three points a touch is way easier to get than three points a hoop!

It states in rule G45 that it is not encourages and is not allowed.

[rocknthehawk]

So if a red robot was parked in blue alliances alley, they would first incur a foul when touched by a blue robot, but then blue could be issued a technical foul and/or red card if continuing to hit the parked red robot? Where is the line between getting a robot out of your way, and exploiting [g44]?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

[RayTurner1126]

Said by one of my teammates: "I used to play in my opponent's alley like you, but then I took a G28 to the robot."

[lemiant]

Wouldn't exploiting G44 be the other way? You would be exploiting it if you tried to get out of fouls, by having your opponent make the last move. I think it should say exploiting the exception in G44 if it means that.
(that noted, the interpretation here makes a lot more sense, I just wouldn't read it that way at first glance).