<G33>

[Steven Donow]

[G33]
During Teleop, Players must be within their Alliance Station. Inbounders who were in the Kinect Station during Hybrid must return safely and expediently to their Alliance Station at the start of Teleop. Inbounders must remain behind the Starting Line during the Match. Exceptions will be allowed in cases involving Player safety.
Violation: Foul

Emphasis mine. Does this mean that you have to throw/toss the balls onto the ramp at the Inbounder Station? Or are you able to lean towards it. In better words, is this rule stating that the Inbounder's feet can't cross the Starting Line, or that you can't break the vertical plane of the Starting Line AT ALL?

[dudeman2009]

My interpretation of the rule is that the vertical plane must remain unbroken.

“Inbounders must remain behind the Starting Line during the Match.”

I am going to plan on the entire inbounder including any and all appendages and clothing must remain behind the line.

[Jon Stratis]

Look at section 2.2.6/2.2.7 - the inbound station has a funnel on it. I think you're supposed to simply place the balls in the funnel, and have them roll out to the field. Also, note that the corral is inside the starting line - in order to pick up balls, the inbounder will have to reach across that line.

[professorX]

Originally Posted by eagle33199

Look at section 2.2.6/2.2.7 - the inbound station has a funnel on it. I think you're supposed to simply place the balls in the funnel, and have them roll out to the field. Also, note that the corral is inside the starting line - in order to pick up balls, the inbounder will have to reach across that line.

This video should clarify it:
http://youtu.be/IaFiCbZLPRY?t=34s

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by professorX

This video should clarify it:
http://youtu.be/IaFiCbZLPRY?t=34s

It looks like the Starting Line does not continue across the front of the Corral, so there should be no problem with the rules here. It does go across the slot, though, so robots will basically have to pick balls up off the ground...

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by bduddy

It looks like the Starting Line does not continue across the front of the Corral, so there should be no problem with the rules here. It does go across the slot, though, so robots will basically have to pick balls up off the ground...

Not necessarily. If you have a hopper or some sort of opening in your robot that can place itself in front of the majority of the slot at the Inbound Station, you should be fine.

[nssheepster]

I think something that big will be covered long before competition. My guess is that they don't want Inbounders swapping out with or aiding the Drivers. So, you can't, say, grab a joystick and get going after you direct the robot via Kinect.

[rich2202]

2.2.6 "The Starting Line is marked on the floor 4 ft back from the Alliance Wall, and extends across the width of the Alliance Station"

Seems like it does include the Corral and the Inbound Station. There should be an exception for those two areas.

[nssheepster]

Uh, one of our mentors aspires to GDC. He thinks we'll just have to throw it into the funnel over the slot. And the corral is on the line. He's usually right, so we're planning on it.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by nssheepster

Uh, one of our mentors aspires to GDC. He thinks we'll just have to throw it into the funnel over the slot. And the corral is on the line. He's usually right, so we're planning on it.

I'm not sure what your mentor wanting to be on the GDC has to do with the rules. What do you mean by 'throw it into the funnel over the slot'? You can only throw balls over the wall in the last 30 seconds.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by nssheepster

My guess is that they don't want Inbounders swapping out with or aiding the Drivers. So, you can't, say, grab a joystick and get going after you direct the robot via Kinect.

I think you have missed the issue.

Inbounders must stand behind the starting line, about 4 feet from the hole/slot for putting balls back onto the field. The issue is, can they reach over the "starting line" or not.

The rules are very clear for your issue:

[G36] During a Match, the operator console shall be operated solely by the Drivers of that team. Violation: Technical-Foul

Drivers are identified by Driver Badges.

[musicgurl1329]

Technically, wouldn't this person be the 3rd human player? Or is there a rule I missed saying there can only be 2 human players?

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by musicgurl1329

Technically, wouldn't this person be the 3rd human player? Or is there a rule I missed saying there can only be 2 human players?

Rule G04 "Each FRC team provides up to four Players (a Coach, two Drivers and an Inbounder)."

[nssheepster]

He's old enough to help, and usually runs the floor crew at Finger Lakes Regional. That's why. Throwing it into the funnel is not over the wall. And the top of the funnel is below the wall but past the starting line.

[JesseK]

For what it's worth, this question is posed on the Q&A. Now we can all stop name-dropping, ego-pumping, and wishfully conjecturing that the rule is one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Team 4334

Game - The Game » Human Actions » G33
Q. Does this rule mean that inbounders cannot step over the Starting line. Or that no part of their body may pass the vertical projection of the line?

https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Questions.php