Throw or Drop?

[Josh Drake]

I see benefits in both, so our jury is still out on that one. Good luck

[Djinn74]

Well, since its illegal to get directly over the baskets, dropping will be hard.

I bet it could still be pulled off, though.

[Tom I]

Dropping has the potential to be more accurate (less variables), but throwing reliably is WAY more versatile. If you can do it well and accurately, try for throwing.

[ahollenbach]

Here's a little I've thought of (not at all exhaustive)
Dropping
Pros:
-Easier to implement for rookie teams
-Score three balls swiftly in a row
Cons:
-Can get pushed
-Can't drop into top row

Shooting
Pros:
-Score from far away
-Can score from "safe zone"
Cons:
-Shooting is less reliable
-Difficult for driver to aim (hard to get the right angle from far away)
-May have to realign for each ball

Note, that with a very strong programming team, the second (and possibly third) con of shooting could be avoidable.

I say, choose the tactic that best suits your team's abilities. If you are unsure about being able to shoot consistently, build a simple dropper, and prototype a shooter. If you finish a good shooter by the end, use that instead, but if you don't, you'll still be able to score.

[Mr. Pockets]

Curious how one can drop the ball, considering the length of the fender and the 14" extension limit on appendages.

[Ninja_Bait]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets

Curious how one can drop the ball, considering the length of the fender and the 14" extension limit on appendages.

Get as close as possible and up a little higher so you can drop it in by rolling it off a ramp?

(yuck)

[Mr. Pockets]

Seems highly difficult to pull off

[Chickenonastick]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets

Seems highly difficult to pull off

It's impossible for the high goal, but perfectly implementable with the middle goals.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally Posted by Chickenonastick

It's impossible for the high goal, but perfectly implementable with the middle goals.

Good point, I forgot the baskets also protrude out so the three foot fender is a bit deceptive.

[JamesCH95]

Originally Posted by dellagd

If we were in a vaccuum!

Since we're not, all it takes is a consistent shooting mechanism and a little time spent to solve the problem empirically. One physical example is worth a thousand models, so go build something and see what happens!

[eedoga]

Our team has looked at both, and may end up with both. If the basket is 14 inches long then it ends up something like 3 -4 inches from the edge of the rim. I poured basketballs into a trash can from this distance with ease. We are trying to figure out a way to use a dumping basket as a hopper for a shooter so we can do both.

[Mr. Pockets]

Just checked the math:
Not possible to dunk/drop balls into the hoops (Though you can get really close)

Barriers:
Fender: 38.75"

Now all the things to take out of that:
Hoop: Inside Diameter 18"
Backboard: 0.5"
Connection from hoop to backboard: 6" from inside of hoop to backboard
Total: 24.5" + some tiny distance for the diameter of the hoop ring (the metal itself not the gap in the middle)

38.75 - 24.5 = 14.25

You are allowed to extend out 14"

14.25" - 14" = 0.25"

So even under ideal circumstances your extention falls just short of the hoop. Dunking is physically impossible without tipping your robot somehow, or violating the rules.

[SimulationX]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets

14.25" - 14" = 0.25"

can't you overcome a quarter inch with spin? what about the diameter of the ball?


anyways, my team is ging to try for a shooting mechanism, our ultimate goal being the ability to take half-court shots. we are still in the process of selecting the best way to do this though,...

[Austin2046]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets

Just checked the math:
Not possible to dunk/drop balls into the hoops (Though you can get really close)

Barriers:
Fender: 38.75"

Now all the things to take out of that:
Hoop: Inside Diameter 18"
Backboard: 0.5"
Connection from hoop to backboard: 6" from inside of hoop to backboard
Total: 24.5" + some tiny distance for the diameter of the hoop ring (the metal itself not the gap in the middle)

38.75 - 24.5 = 14.25

You are allowed to extend out 14"

14.25" - 14" = 0.25"

So even under ideal circumstances your extention falls just short of the hoop. Dunking is physically impossible without tipping your robot somehow, or violating the rules.

i believe you also forgot the width of your bumpers between your frame and the fender. so we add another 3.25 inches or so...

0.25'' + 3.25'' = 3.5''

[JabariW]

For the people who plan to drop the balls into the hoops..please keep in mind that there is a limit to how far something can extend from your robot. I believe that the limit is 14". Plus the fender is adding additional space away from the basket. With all that being said...my team (#1850) decided to throw the dropping idea out of the loop. I hope with the information that I just gave you is helpful. Good LucK!