Car Nack Predicts 12-1

[LinuxArchitect]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

Car Nack Predicts 12-1

During the FRC season you will never see 36 points scored in the hybrid period.

Car Nack has spoken

I predict more than 36(*) in the elimination rounds at DC. That is week 5, 3 weeks after many of the teams will have been together at the Baltimore event.

*: don't forget the balls on the bridges; one robot moves directly there while partners shoot, then shoots two while collecting two or more to shoot again. I'd have(**) a wide robot with two side by side shooter mechanisms.

**: not that I think my team will do it; they ignore my ideas a lot

[Racer26]

Yup. I'm gonna go ahead right now and suggest that Car Nack will be wrong on this one.

I can even tell you the 2 team (#1 seed and their first choice) alliance that I think will do it, together, at THREE (and possibly FOUR, depending on division split) regular season events.

[Ian Curtis]

It is a shame @FRCFMS wasn't around in 2006, so does anyone know the highest autonomous score in 2006? There won't be any defensive robots to worry about, but the goal is a much smaller and thus harder target, so I think it would be a good indicator.

I'm inclined to agree with Car Nack. I haven't gotten to play with real field elements, but I think going for 36 a potential snag may be balls hanging around in the nets and causing a backlog. You've got to cram a lot balls into the hoops in a short period.

[JamesBrown]

I didn't really consider it earlier but I would bet that atleast 10 teams have an autonomous that can score their two balls, then collect and score the two ramp balls, that should then require the other two teams to score 3 of their balls in any goal, or 2 in the top. This seems very feasible in elimination rounds, definitely at Champs.

Edit: I am pretty sure it was not the intent of Car Nack but technically scoring 4 in the top and 3 elsewhere may score more than 36 points, meaning Car Nack would still be correct.

[Chris Hibner]

If it does happen, I'll be shocked if it happens with all three robots shooting.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

It is a shame @FRCFMS wasn't around in 2006, so does anyone know the highest autonomous score in 2006? There won't be any defensive robots to worry about, but the goal is a much smaller and thus harder target, so I think it would be a good indicator.

I'm inclined to agree with Car Nack. I haven't gotten to play with real field elements, but I think going for 36 a potential snag may be balls hanging around in the nets and causing a backlog. You've got to cram a lot balls into the hoops in a short period.

It wasn't official, but I remember the 2006 IRI alliance of 1114, 33, (Sorry I forget the 3rd) putting up more than 80 points in auto.

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by JamesBrown

Edit: I am pretty sure it was not the intent of Car Nack but technically scoring 4 in the top and 3 elsewhere may score more than 36 points, meaning Car Nack would still be correct.

The way the game is set up, it is technically possible to score 96 points in the autonomous period. Of course, that requires godlike autonomous AND opponents with no balls in their possession!

[Siri]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

If it does happen, I'll be shocked if it happens with all three robots shooting.

That's what I was thinking. To all non-shooter robots--can you set up in front of a shooter (if you're low enough) and let your preloads roll into a shooting robot's collector? Thank you!

[Brandon_L]

3+3 points=6 per ball x 2 balls per robot=12 x 3 robots = 36.

I believe that it is entirely possible to score all 36 points, but the problem is that the robots will all be shooting for the top goal at the same time. Have your programmers delay your shooting a bit, or work with your alliance and decide an order of shooting. Ex: robot 1 shoots their balls in the first 4~ seconds, then robot 2, then 3.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Siri

That's what I was thinking. To all non-shooter robots--can you set up in front of a shooter (if you're low enough) and let your preloads roll into a shooting robot's collector? Thank you!

I remember seeing this in 2006 (on Einstein I believe). This is how 36 points will be put up in an autonomous mode, if it happens at all.

I know a lot of people are trying for the 4 ball autonomous but I don't see many teams getting it work. Also a 2 line program on a kitbot robot can defend a 4 ball autonomous routine every time. (Run into the bridge before the 4 ball team can get there).

[indubitably]

I have to disagree with this, I feel a top tier team is going to be able to score 4 top shots on a really good hybrid period, all they need is one partner in elims who delays their shooter to score while they gather two more, possibly with the assistance of the kinect.

[I LOVE ROBOTS!]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

Car Nack Predicts 12-1

During the FRC season you will never see 36 points scored in the hybrid period.

Car Nack has spoken

I think you'll a hybrid score over 36 the very first week... unless you exclude penalites

[Donut]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

I remember seeing this in 2006 (on Einstein I believe). This is how 36 points will be put up in an autonomous mode, if it happens at all.

I know a lot of people are trying for the 4 ball autonomous but I don't see many teams getting it work. Also a 2 line program on a kitbot robot can defend a 4 ball autonomous routine every time. (Run into the bridge before the 4 ball team can get there).

Keep in mind there are another 2 balls available from the alliance bridge if a team is really concerned about about defensive autonomous for the center bridge.

I believe Car Nack is correct, but in that no alliance will score 36 points with the balls they have starting in their robots. If any robot can get balls from a bridge in autonomous I think the great Car Nack's prediction will be broken, since the alliance can score beyond 36 without all shooting in the top hoop (of course, if they exceed 36 points, Car Nack's prediction still holds true).

[Hawiian Cadder]

I bet there is a team that manages to score the balls they start with, and then go to the middle bridge and claim more. I don't think we will ever see 3 robots score 36 points with even distribution, but i can see a high rate shooter scoring many more points just by themselves.

[pandamonium]

I also think that Car Nack is wrong.
In theory...
One robot can shoot two... Go to ramp... lower ramp... colect 2 - 6 shoot 2 - 6... then strafe to aliance ramp... colect 2 shoot 2...

Pandamonium predicts in eliminations strong auto modes are more important than 3 on ramp.