cRIO Image Download

[Mark McLeod]

The cRIO "image" is not a single file in those language packages, so you won't find it just looking through the installation .zip.
When the language specific Updates get installed, the respective "image" files are really zipped directories put in specific locations for each language.
LabVIEW's will get put in C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2011\project\CRIO Tool\FRC Images

The cRIO Imaging Tool constructs the final image based on the type of cRIO (I or II), the programming language, and other options that you've chosen.

[Gnome2013]

On our computer there is only this: C:\Program Files (x86)\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2011\project\CRIO Tool there is no FRC Images folder so we made one, would that be the problem?

[Mark McLeod]

I think the problem is that you haven't installed everything you should.
That missing directory gets created (and populated) by the LabVIEW Update.
You can double-check your FRC version by starting LabVIEW and going to:

Help -> About FIRST Robotics Competition Software...

It should say "Software Update 4.0.0"

1. LabVIEW Basic (USB stick from KOP)
2. LabVIEW Update (from online: http://joule.ni.com/nidu/cds/view/p/id/2261)
3. Utilities (from online: http://joule.ni.com/nidu/cds/view/p/id/2262)
4. Driver Station (from online: http://joule.ni.com/nidu/cds/view/p/id/2263)
5. Microsoft Kinect SDK (online:http://kinectforwindows.org)
6. .NET Framework 4.0 - may already be installed (online: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en....aspx?id=17851)
7. Kinect Kiosk (online: http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/listReleases/projects.wpilib/frs.2012_frc_kinect_server)

It's a really crowded year for software installation.

All this assumes you are programming in LabVIEW. If you aren't then the installation order is different and that LabVIEW image directory won't exist because it's not needed.
The image will be in a different location (language specific).
If you did all that and the cRIO Imaging Tool doesn't automatically show the v43 image when you select LabVIEW, then the installation is messed up somehow.
There will be other things missing that are just as important.

[ksanger]

I might have found it. Won't know until Tuesday evening. But here is my trials and tribulations. I've been at it for four hours now. Hopefully this will save you time in the long run.

I too can not find the image and have no clue what is missing. I flashed the Classmate with USB "2012 Image E11". The Classmate saw an old cRIO with our old team number on it. (I assume this set the Clasemates IP address which is why Ethernet would not work at home below).

Then brought the Classmate home as we had to "Activate" Windows 7. Activation didn't work until a miracle occurred and the classmate was able to see the hard wired Ethernet. Windows 7 activated. MS Security Essentials updated, ran, reactivated okay.

As a side note I've been on two teams now. The first team was behind a business firewall. The current team operates within a school system. Neither enable us to go out to the internet and verify OS's, or product keys, or updates. We can download files and sneaker net them over. But registrations do not work. As I'm doing this from home my students are not available so we can teach them too. Perhaps its best as I've had it for tonight.

We downloaded and ran FRC2012DriverStationUpdate. Note we are going to use JAVA. Above post pointed to 2012-kit-of-parts-control-system. Java link pointed to
http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/...update_for_frc

There is no crio imaging tool anywhere. The classmate does not have a DVD drive. I haven't looked to see if there is a USB Stick in the NI folder as we were not going to use labview. Hmmm. Are there two USB sticks in the kit of parts?

FRC2012Utilities.zip does not open. Instead I get an error message "Please Insert Disk...". Note the third download is now extracting as we type. When I double click setup nothing happens. When I right click then hit open it runs. But then it appears to run twice? I see no program that looks like cRIO Imaging Tool. Where does it go? Sorry, finally found it under Programs, National Instruments LabView 2011, FRC 2012 cRIO Imaging Tool. Its on our hard drive under C:\Program Files\National Instruments\LabVIEW 2011\project\CRIO Tool\FRC CRIO Imaging Tool

I'm out of time tonight. Don't feel like I know what I'm doing. This isn't any fun. I realize that a lot of people have put a lot of time into all of the software we are using. But this is worse than installing linux or android.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by ksanger

I haven't looked to see if there is a USB Stick in the NI folder as we were not going to use labview. Hmmm. Are there two USB sticks in the kit of parts?

Yes, there are two USB sticks in the KOP.
The obvious one is only for the Classmates.

The LabVIEW one is in the package with the reflective tape, wago connectors, jumpers, etc.
The stick is inside a cardboard sleeve that looks like it might hold a DVD.
It is double-thick credit card-size with the stick itself able to pivot to expose it's USB plug (or it can be removed entirely from the rest of the credit card).

If you are not using LabVIEW to program, you still must install the Tools from that USB stick.

So, the installation procedure for Java/C++ starts with:

1. LabVIEW Install Only FRC Tools (LV USB stick from KOP)
2. LabVIEW Install Only Driver Station Support (LV USB stick from KOP)
3. Utilities (from online: http://joule.ni.com/nidu/cds/view/p/id/2262)
4. Driver Station (from online: http://joule.ni.com/nidu/cds/view/p/id/2263)
5. Microsoft Kinect SDK (online:http://kinectforwindows.org)
6. .NET Framework 4.0 - may already be installed (online: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en....aspx?id=17851)
7. Kinect Kiosk (online: http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/listReleases/projects.wpilib/frs.2012_frc_kinect_server)

If using C++

1. Install Wind River DVD 1
2. If you have a 64-bit OS, then install Wind River DVD 2
3. FRC C++ Update (online: http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/listReleases/projects.wpilib/frs.2012_update_for_c)

If using Java

1. Install NetBeans (online: http://netbeans.org/downloads/index.html)
2. FRC Java Update (online: http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/listReleases/projects.wpilib/frs.2012_java_update_for_frc)

Updates will come and go as the season progresses, so keep an eye out for future updates to the Updates at the bottom of this page:
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...control-system

[Yppiz]

Where is the 2012 image for teams using the java Crio?

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by Yppiz

Where is the 2012 image for teams using the java Crio?

The Java stuff, including the matching cRIO image, is at:
http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/frs/do/...update_for_frc


That link is also at the bottom of that KOP control system page:
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...control-system

[ksanger]

Just found the Labview USB Stick, per another post. Dumb. I would never have looked for a USB stick in a DVD envelope. Now my question is do we need to reflash the Classmate as we had already run Driverstation update and utilities update even though we never installed NI Utilities? Will that void the already registered Windows 7 authentication?

I'll try looking for Windows programs and see if I can delete things without re-installing the OS.

We had troubles today trying to see the cRIO. First it saw it but the IP was grayed out so we could not update the IP to the new team number.

[ksanger]

I think I almost have everything needed on the Classmate. Noticed that they point us back to the documents page, http://firstforge.wpi.edu/sf/go/doc1199?nav=1 to download the Java Getting Started Guide. Page 6 States:

"For Java cRIO Image, you must start Netbeans, install the FRC Plugins, then restart Netbeans so that it creates the cRIO Image." This is probably part of why the order that we install everything is so important. All the updates must be in place prior to having Netbeans create the image...

Had a devil of a time, first finding the National Instruments USB Stick inside the "DVD" envelope. Then finding the new hard drive while the removable memory was empty in order to install the NI software.

It doesn't help to have Windows 7 updating all the time too. I have no clue how much stuff is going on in the background. This will be amazing when it works. (And impossible to figure out why it failed)

[Gnome2013]

The computer we are trying to image it with is not going to be our driver station computer it is our programming computer. The classmate is just simply too small to install and run half these things, do I still need to install all the driver station stuff?

[Mark McLeod]

You don't have to install the Driver Station application on your programming computer.

It can be convenient to have it on there, though, otherwise, when you're testing code you'll need both computers on and connected.

[JacobGH]

I'm really confused as to why this is so complicated? Currently my computer possesses the 2011 cRio Java image. I need the 2012 image. I clicked "install everything" on the Labiew USB (the credit card-shaped one) and it did not install a 2012 image on my computer. It didn't even install the cRio imaging tool - I had to download that from NI's website. The Utilities Update page states that the Java update requires a 2012 image to do an update, but I have the 2011..

Where can I get the 2012 cRio image for Java?

[Doc Wu]

Originally Posted by ksanger

As a side note I've been on two teams now. The first team was behind a business firewall. The current team operates within a school system. Neither enable us to go out to the internet and verify OS's, or product keys, or updates. We can download files and sneaker net them over. But registrations do not work. As I'm doing this from home my students are not available so we can teach them too. Perhaps its best as I've had it for tonight.

This is a very common problem that needs to be addressed. I've spent many hours at home with the Classmate and school's laptop doing exactly that over the past few years. All time that is taken away from actually working on the robot.

It's also tiring to have to search all over for pieces of a puzzle - updates here, patches there, kinex programs another place, and don't get them in the wrong order. I realize the distribution is prepared far in advance, but couldn't there be one official place to go with one step-by-step setup and all files downloaded from one place?


{edit} Actually, what Mark has provided is the best I've seen. His post should be made sticky or something so everyone will see it.{/edit}

This year is incrementally better than past years, but I'm still developing a callous from banging my head on the wall...

[SuperBK]

All - what is the latest cRio image version as of 1-25-2012. I just want to make sure the latest is installed when I check it tommorrow. I think it has 4.3 right now.

Does the "utilties version 2.0" update include a new image?


Brian

[Mark McLeod]

v43

The new Utilities 2.0 Update doesn't contain a cRIO image.