Car Nack Predicts 12-3

[KrazyCarl92]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

MSC? Help me out here. Is this like an IRI only west of the Rockies?

Michigan State Championship. It's the tournament that helps rank the Michigan teams for the purposes of qualifying for the FIRST Championship and it takes place after all of the Michigan District events.

[Joe G.]

MSC = Michigan State Championship, which has featured quite a high level of play these past few years.

As for Car Nack's prediction, I will be surprised to see 6 robots on 2 bridges. However, I'd wager that 6 on 3 will occur in qualifications at at least 1/4th of regionals, and fairly regularly at the Michigan State Championship, MAR championship, St. Louis, etc.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

I don't know about Car Nack's prediction but I can tell you that perhaps his thinking not that it is not possible but that the motivation may not be what many people think. For example if Alliance 1 and Alliance 4 both won in round 1 of the elims, by balancing 3 each against opponents that did not balance 3. Then each alliance knows when they meet in that the other can get 40 points -- but it in this case, neither team will choose to do so because they know that if they do, the other team will do... ...so why not keep scoring in the baskets instead?

Joe J.

Because it takes time to setup and balance 3 robots. If you plan to do a 2-balance and keep the remaining robot scoring, it better be a superstar basket scorer with plenty of available balls. Can any single robot make up 20 points in hoops in the time it takes 3 robots to coordinate a balance? I doubt it.

It's like hanging in 2010: sure in some matches you can score the 2 extra points with soccer balls, but in most matches you won't even have 2 balls available to score in the final seconds.

[Joe Johnson]

Man! I guy moves to New England and he forgets his roots.

How could I have forgotten Michigan State Championships?

I'm an idiot.

Thanks,
Joe J.

[pfreivald]

The best part about Car Nack is trying really, really hard to prove him wrong.

[Nathan Streeter]

If Car Nack is allowing for the 6 robots to be on any combination of the 3 ramps, I think it'll happen at most regionals...

If Car Nack is referring specifically to triple balance vs. triple balance, I still have to disagree. I think that this will be exceptionally rare, but that it will happen. Some elim alliances will prove they can do so... these ones will win and move on, increasing the odds that they'll face a similar alliance. At some point, there'll be a triple balance against a triple balance...

[pandamonium]

so far in my honest opinion Car Nack is 1 for 3 this year.

[bduddy]

I'd be disappointed if there was a regional where it never happened. I do think it'll be harder than a lot of people think, but considering the rewards for being able to balance, teams will be crazy to design a robot that can't balance with at least one other.

[KrazyCarl92]

Well remember, in qualifications, this would be balancing 2 robots on each of the three bridges. But in quals, how often will there be 6 robots playing together that are capable of balancing with another robot?

Then in eliminations, you need to have two alliances that can balance 3 robots on their alliance bridge since there is no reward for the coopertition bridge. Having never seen any of the robots attempt a triple balance in quals because that would be useless, the farthest you can go in selecting for a triple balance alliance is finding robots that can consistently balance with 2 in quals and will all fit on the bridge together. Now have two alliances that have selected for that face each other in eliminations and pull off a triple balance in the same match...with next to no practice together doing it.

Steep odds either way, but I could see it happening at qualifications at Championship, MSC and IRI, otherwise the odds are far too slim.

[Justin Stiltner]

I am siding with CarNack on this one. After dealing with that bridge in 2001 when ALL of the robots were working together I can tell you that balancing is not that easy using your robot driving back and fourth. In past seasons the greatest things happen in the elimination rounds when all the robots are hand picked for their greatness and ability to work together. This year you will not see anyone trying to balance on the coopertition bridge in elims, and I don't think you will see 3 robots on one bridge successfully. More likely you will see 2 robots somewhat on a bridge, and the third on its side nearby the bridge.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by Justin Stiltner

More likely you will see 2 robots somewhat on a bridge, and the third on its side nearby the bridge.

At first I thought "what a morbid way of putting it". Then I realized it could be worse -- the tipped robot could still be touching the bridge, negating any possible points.

[Swampdude]

I don't this is true either. looks like 2 bot balances are easier than thought on the competition bridge. Although the balls getting caught underneath is the problem. I think there will be plenty of matches where all 6 teams have trouble shooting balls and will commit to balancing from the onset. Especially when they realize how important the coopertition ranking points are.

[bduddy]

More than a bit pessimistic, this one...

...unless he meant "one single bridge"...

[jspatz1]

Six robots balanced was already accomplished at Kansas City in week 1, as shown in this post:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...06#post1138406

[slijin]

Originally Posted by jspatz1

Six robots balanced was already accomplished at Kansas City in week 1, as shown in this post:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...06#post1138406

Darn, I was looking for a pic/video

On a side note, where's 12-2?