Eclipse Vs. NetBeans

[collegebound]

What is the difference between Eclipse and Netbeans?
Which one do you guys think is more efficient?

[shuhao]

Both of them are bloated as hell.

Netbeans is a pile of ----. I have not met a single person (online or IRL) who has anything good to say about it. No configurability, it eats ram and CPU like an IDE and acts like a text editor, crappy looking GUI

Eclipse is the lesser of 2 evil. Still very bloated, at least you get options, and the editor actually autocompletes stuff for you.

Ideally I would pick neither, but under the circumstances my vote is with Eclipse

[collegebound]

ok thanks

[Joe Ross]

While it sounds like shuhao may have experience with both IDEs outside of FRC, I think you also need to consider how well they work with the FRC plugins. It seems that this year, netbeans is updated faster, and also has many more users. Given that the FRC build season is so short that the ability to get support would probably be towards the top of features I was looking for.

[shuhao]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

While it sounds like shuhao may have experience with both IDEs outside of FRC, I think you also need to consider how well they work with the FRC plugins. It seems that this year, netbeans is updated faster, and also has many more users. Given that the FRC build season is so short that the ability to get support would probably be towards the top of features I was looking for.

You're absolutely correct. However it would seem the only things that really matter is the sunspotsdk files, and a couple of ant build files.. which can easily be pulled and pushed into the eclipse installation in case there's an update.

At the end of the day, it's just an ant build file

[codes02]

We've had no issue with autocomplete in netbeans. Could you clarify when you are having an issue with it performing properly?

[efoote868]

Originally Posted by shuhao

Both of them are bloated as hell.

Netbeans is a pile of ----. I have not met a single person (online or IRL) who has anything good to say about it. No configurability, it eats ram and CPU like an IDE and acts like a text editor, crappy looking GUI

Eclipse is the lesser of 2 evil. Still very bloated, at least you get options, and the editor actually autocompletes stuff for you.

Ideally I would pick neither, but under the circumstances my vote is with Eclipse

I use Netbeans as my preferred IDE. When I want to throw together a quick java GUI, you can't beat it. And by the way, there are plug ins for it.

As far as IDEs go, I haven't had too much experience with many others (I usually only program in java, and most IDEs are for other languages. I feel a bit like a tourist). I've used MPLAB, Matlab, JCreator, XCode, Codewarrior and Bloodshed before, and I've played around with Labview, Codewrite and Eclipse.

I suppose I could say I also have used notepad, gedit and VI from time to time, but you could hardly call those IDEs.

My advice is to find something you like for the application/language you're writing, become proficient with it and stick to it. It helps when either it is the language's standard, or has a large user base along with plug-ins.

[patrickviolette]

It's kind of a holy war in IDEs. The truth is, either will work.

NetBeans is the best supported. To get the SunSpotFRCSKD in Eclipse, you have to first unpack it as a NetBeans Module, and then copy the JAR files to your Eclipse project.

At our school, the AP Computer Science class uses Eclipse, and our mentors are most comfortable in Eclipse, so that's what we use. It deploys fine.

If you are completely new, NetBeans seems like the way to go because of the support.

[shuhao]

Originally Posted by codes02

We've had no issue with autocomplete in netbeans. Could you clarify when you are having an issue with it performing properly?

Sorry. I meant auto save actions. Also things like auto import .. etc.

I use Netbeans as my preferred IDE. When I want to throw together a quick java GUI, you can't beat it. And by the way, there are plug ins for it.

As far as IDEs go, I haven't had too much experience with many others (I usually only program in java, and most IDEs are for other languages. I feel a bit like a tourist). I've used MPLAB, Matlab, JCreator, XCode, Codewarrior and Bloodshed before, and I've played around with Labview, Codewrite and Eclipse.

I suppose I could say I also have used notepad, gedit and VI from time to time, but you could hardly call those IDEs.

My advice is to find something you like for the application/language you're writing, become proficient with it and stick to it. It helps when either it is the language's standard, or has a large user base along with plug-ins.

My preferred IDE is no IDE. The main editor I use is geany, and secondary is vim, where geany I use for larger projects, and vim I use for 1-2 file projects. I would say I'm rather proficient in geany and vim.. but then both are just text editors.. not much to learn (vim people please don't hate me for saying that..)

I use eclipse when I have to write Java (because Java is an eclipse proprietary language, amirite? ) due to the fact of the massive amount of options in eclipse, so I can customize it to my needs relatively well (take the time to go through every single options in eclipse.. then do the same for netbeans.. then you realize why eclipse is much much superior), but the IDE is still slow and bloated ("Let me get some coffee while I wait for Eclipse to redraw it's main GUI")

That being said.. It's just my opinions, and I have very very strong opinions over these kinda things.. (maybe I have OCD? not sure..)

[apalrd]

Use whatever IDE integrates best with the language and tools you are using, and you are most comfortable with.


I've worked with graphical languages which are their own IDE's (LabVIEW/Simulink), and IDE's like MATLAB, EasyC/RobotC (VEX), MPLAB (IFI/VEX), Eclipse (Android dev), Notepad++, and others. I've also worked with just gedit to write a lot of fairly simple Perl scripts.


I never really felt that any one of the above editors was limiting me except for EasyC (that editor as a text editor is awful). In most cases, I used the editor I was given or the editor that worked with the build chain. In many embedded cases, the build chain is designed to work with a single editor, or even integrated directly into the editor, so you use what you can.

[shuhao]

Is no one a makefile fan...

[carrillo694]

Originally Posted by shuhao

Both of them are bloated as hell.

Netbeans is a pile of ----. I have not met a single person (online or IRL) who has anything good to say about it. No configurability, it eats ram and CPU like an IDE and acts like a text editor, crappy looking GUI

Eclipse is the lesser of 2 evil. Still very bloated, at least you get options, and the editor actually autocompletes stuff for you.

Ideally I would pick neither, but under the circumstances my vote is with Eclipse

NetBeans autocompletes too.

One issue I have with NetBeans is that it has a "main project selection" feature, whereby you must select the project you want to deploy to your robot as the "main project." However, when you open a saved project, it does not automatically consider that newly opened project the "main" project, which can cause you to accidentally load the wrong code. Eclipse does away with this "main" project concept.

[Chiller]

Originally Posted by carrillo694

NetBeans autocompletes too.

One issue I have with NetBeans is that it has a "main project selection" feature, whereby you must select the project you want to deploy to your robot as the "main project." However, when you open a saved project, it does not automatically consider that newly opened project the "main" project, which can cause you to accidentally load the wrong code. Eclipse does away with this "main" project concept.

Netbeans is also VERY childish looking, its like what a beginner wold use to program in java. Eclipse is the better one.