Go to Post FIRST is a pretty decent microcosm of real life, those who work hard, accomplish more decent lesson to learn, and FIRST is allowing us to learn it. - Aren_Hill [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Rules/Strategy
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 03-02-2012, 02:43
Squillo Squillo is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cynthia Hannah-White
FRC #2465 (Kauaibots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Kauai, Hawaii
Posts: 154
Squillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant future
Second computer?

I thought I read something on here about this, but my search is not turning it up. Can we use a second computer as part of our operator console, if it does not connect wirelessly with anything?
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 03-02-2012, 03:07
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,825
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second computer?

I would consider all the rules in Section 4.1.11 very carefully before making the call either way. However, there are a few that I would particularly look at:

[R80], blue box, second paragraph says that no power will be available for something other than the Classmate. However, any computing device may be used to host the Driver Station software (well, as long as it can connect to the field via Ethernet--[R81]).

[R84] bans wireless communication to, from, or within the console, except via the Arena system.

From Section 5, Rule [T34] is also worth looking at; it puts a list of requirements on devices for tracking strategy. One of those requirements is that any device used only for strategy cannot connect to the Operator Console (among other rules). Not knowing what the second computer would be used for, I include this just in case it's solely for strategy.

Beyond those, I don't think there are any restrictions on number of computers used on the Operator Console, but space should be considered--you only have 4' to work with.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 03-02-2012, 20:29
Squillo Squillo is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cynthia Hannah-White
FRC #2465 (Kauaibots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Kauai, Hawaii
Posts: 154
Squillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant future
Re: Second computer?

I think it's OK. It would have a webcam (wired to it or integral) and would connect to the other computer (which may be the Classmate, not sure, but either way it communicates with the robot using the usual protocols, etc.) via a VGA link so that the input to a pair of glasses worn by the driver can be switched between the feed from the robot camera and the webcam). At least I think that's it - the software/driveteam folks were trying to explain it to me so I could give them a rules decision.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 03-02-2012, 21:21
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,825
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second computer?

There may be a few other issues with this particular setup. Not with the computer, but with putting on or connecting the glasses mid-match. And with the fact that safety glasses are required on the field, you may want to just put the robot camera on the second laptop to make sure.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 03-02-2012, 23:55
Squillo Squillo is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cynthia Hannah-White
FRC #2465 (Kauaibots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Kauai, Hawaii
Posts: 154
Squillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant futureSquillo has a brilliant future
Re: Second computer?

I know per Q&A that the glasses could not be connected during hybrid. Is there some reason the driver couldn't plug them in at the end of hybrid? If we can get a ruling that they count as safety glasses (good catch on that one!), and they are worn the entire time (just not connected to anything during hybrid), is there any other problem that I'm not thinking about?

I am really glad that you mentioned the safety glasses rule! Doh!
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 04-02-2012, 00:50
EricH's Avatar
EricH EricH is offline
New year, new team
FRC #1197 (Torbots)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 19,825
EricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond reputeEricH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second computer?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squillo View Post
I know per Q&A that the glasses could not be connected during hybrid. Is there some reason the driver couldn't plug them in at the end of hybrid? If we can get a ruling that they count as safety glasses (good catch on that one!), and they are worn the entire time (just not connected to anything during hybrid), is there any other problem that I'm not thinking about?

I am really glad that you mentioned the safety glasses rule! Doh!
I don't think there'd be a problem.

Other than the ANSI requirement on the safety glasses (Administrative Manual 4.2.1), that is.
__________________
Past teams:
2003-2007: FRC0330 BeachBots
2008: FRC1135 Shmoebotics
2012: FRC4046 Schroedinger's Dragons

"Rockets are tricky..."--Elon Musk

Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:50.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi