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RSL wire size

I don't see anything in R57 or R44 regarding what wire size to use for the Signal Light. Am I overlooking something? It looks like everything else is spelled out in detail.
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Re: RSL wire size

I would consider it a branch circuit of the DSC, so [R43-C] and [R44] would then be applicable.
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Re: RSL wire size

doesn't R43-C pertain to the wiring supplying the DSC, instead of what the DSC supplies to downstream circuitry?

R44 doesn't mention the RSL at all...

This one does concern me: I just cut a 2 wire 0.1" female jumper in half, but it's awful small AWG, and I just don't have anything heavier with a female header lying around.
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Re: RSL wire size

Looks like least at 20AWG. If you use 18 AWG you should be completely rule compliant. Needs to meet the color code requirements in rule R45.
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Re: RSL wire size

My issue with the 20 Amp breaker limitation is that pretty much everything else on the DSC is a 5V control signal running off of pwm cables. The RSL runs off of pwm size terminals as well, but I'm not sure what voltage it uses (I guess I could measure it). Since the RSL requirements (R55) are under command and control I would assume 5V but not sure.
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Re: RSL wire size

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The RSL runs off of pwm size terminals as well, but I'm not sure what voltage it uses (I guess I could measure it).
The RSL runs off 12V. If this year's [R43-C] and [R44] apply to it then I can count on one hand the number of legal robots I have seen since the RSL was introduced. Most teams use either the KOP 2-wire jumper or a PWM cable, very few use the "correct" Molex connector.
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Re: RSL wire size

Yeah, I was looking at our most recent robots and found one with 18 AWG and one with a PWM, which is why I thought I'd ask.
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Re: RSL wire size

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The RSL is fed through a 1.1 (hold)/2.2 (trip) amp breaker on the DSC. At this current standard PWM cables are sufficient. Recommended is #22 or larger as it is easier to terminate in the screw terminals on the RSL.
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Re: RSL wire size

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The RSL is fed through a 1.1 (hold)/2.2 (trip) amp breaker on the DSC. At this current standard PWM cables are sufficient. Recommended is #22 or larger as it is easier to terminate in the screw terminals on the RSL.
Sufficient, yes. The paranoid in me fears the lack of explicitness in R44 being coupled with a grouchy inspector...
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Sufficient, yes. The paranoid in me fears the lack of explicitness in R44 being coupled with a grouchy inspector...
You can look at the Inspection Checklist if it will help sooth the paranoia.
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Re: RSL wire size

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Sufficient, yes. The paranoid in me fears the lack of explicitness in R44 being coupled with a grouchy inspector...
Lead Robot Inspectors have the experience and training to know what is common practice for this component.
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Re: RSL wire size

...and the Q+A comes through:

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Q. What is the minimum allowed wire size between the Digital Sidecar and the Robot Signal Light?
A. There is no minimum listed.
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Re: RSL wire size

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doesn't R43-C pertain to the wiring supplying the DSC, instead of what the DSC supplies to downstream circuitry?

R44 doesn't mention the RSL at all...
My reasoning was that R43-C specified the fuse for the DSC circuit and that R44 specified the wire gauge for branch circuits from the DSC, which includes the RSL. Of course, if the GDC has ruled that there's no minimum, then there's no minimum wire.

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This one does concern me: I just cut a 2 wire 0.1" female jumper in half, but it's awful small AWG, and I just don't have anything heavier with a female header lying around.
You can also hack down a 1x3 .1" header to be a 1x2; there were a number of 22AWG female PWMs included in the KoP.
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Re: RSL wire size

We connected ours with a normal PWM cable, but stripped off the white wire and cut off that 1/3 of the connector...it works, the light blinks, the inspector should be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59j7kyWneM

(fast forward to about 1:10 in the video)

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