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Unread 28-02-2012, 21:21
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30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

The way we interpreted the rules, you can bring 30 pounds of withholding to your first regional, and another 30 pounds to your second regional. Is this correct? If no, please provide an answer and explicit ruling as to why.

This would be bringing 30 separate pounds to each regional, not 60 in one.

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Unread 28-02-2012, 21:29
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

that is indeed a good question.
Being that we never had to do that in the past, I'm curious myself.
I've seen teams who participated in their 2nd or later regional event bring in parts of their robot fabricated again at a later event.
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

You can't bring 30 pounds for every regional you signed up for, but you can pull 30 pounds off your robot and take it home to work on.

We take our electronics board and camera back and forth for testing.
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

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You can't bring 30 pounds for every regional you signed up for, but you can pull 30 pounds off your robot and take it home to work on.

We take our electronics board and camera back and forth for testing.
Can you please quote the rule or rules that state that?
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

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Can you please quote the rule or rules that state that?
...and how it gets around [R26] which states:

Teams may bring a maximum of 30 lbs of Fabricated Items to each competition event to be used to repair and/or upgrade their Robot at the competition site. The Operator Console and any battery assemblies (see [R03]-A) are not applicable. (emphasis mine)
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

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[R26]Teams may bring a maximum of 30 lbs of Fabricated Items to each competition event to be used to repair and/or upgrade their Robot at the competition site.
Emphasis mine.

I can see how my post was written poorly in a stupor of English homework. I was implying you can't take 60 pounds of stuff to the regional because you signed up for 2, but you can bring two new 30-pound loads (let's say you built an all new shooter but didn't take anything home after the first event). We just take our board and camera for testing.

If you are implying that this practice is illegal, we just switched two Spikes over to Victors to upgrade control on some motors and recut some wires that had bad crimps. However, it is a bunch of COTS parts that have been bolted on to some Lexan.

I hope that something we have done years in the past is illegal.

I think I said what I wanted to say this time...

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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

Keep in mind that you can only bring 30lbs to each competition. Not 30lbs*n, where n is the number of competitions you are competing in.

So, yes you can walk in (each) the Regional/District event with 30lbs of allowance
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

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This would be bringing 30 separate pounds to each regional, not 60 in one.

Yes, and if you go to 3 events you technically replace your entire robot in thirds at the different events.
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Yes, and if you go to 3 events you technically replace your entire robot in thirds at the different events.
Wow! How does bobcat end up on Einstein practically every year and keep their robot under 90 lbs?!?!?
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I actually got distracted while typing. I meant to type 3 events & championship. We're never under 119 lbs.
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

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it is a bunch of COTS parts that have been bolted on to some Lexan.
This would make these parts no longer COTS

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Q. If a COTS item is mounted to an assembly of fabricated components, is the item still considered COTS if it is otherwise unmodified? (ie, no mounting holes drilled in it)

A. No. Mounting a COTS item into an assembly is considered modifying it, making it a Fabricated Item. If the COTS item was removed from the larger assembly and otherwise unmodified, it would be considered a COTS item.
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So if you have not included the weight of these items in your withholding allowance then it may have been illegal.
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This would make these parts no longer COTS


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So if you have not included the weight of these items in your withholding allowance then it may have been illegal.
But we did, which is why I specifically used that as the example for the fabricated item we use for our withholding allowance. I wonder why this was indirectly brought up in the first place.
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Re: 30 pound withholding allowence for two regionals

Does the 30lb rule that applies to Regionals also apply to Championships?
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Does the 30lb rule that applies to Regionals also apply to Championships?
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