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Re: outsmart the friction?!

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I am not a programmer, so I really can't help there.

However, I have a lot of experience with 6-wheel drive and plaction wheels, and having trouble turning is not unusual.

Are the center wheels exactly level with the outside four wheels, or are they 'dropped" down a little (1/16-1/8" = 2-5 mm)? If they are level, you will have trouble turning, and that can't be fixed in software (that I know at least).
You are right the center wheels are exactly at the same level as the other four ,so you are saying that it can be fixed by programming ....And if we make them unlabeled as in dropping the center wheel a bit would that help !???!
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Re: outsmart the friction?!

Yes, dropping the center wheel on each side somewhere around 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch should make it much easier to turn.

Even if you could make the problem a little better programatically it is going to be very hard on your motors, speed controllers and batteries if you don't reduce the friction on one outside set of wheels or drop the center set.

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Re: outsmart the friction?!

If you can't drop the center wheels you can purchase two omni wheels or use lower friction wheels on one end of the robot.

As much as I like to blame programming for everything, this isn't their fault
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Re: outsmart the friction?!

If you can't easily lower the center wheels, try adding thicker tread to them. That'll have a similar effect. The resulting very slight discrepancy in rim speed between the outside and center wheels shouldn't be a problem in practice.
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Re: outsmart the friction?!

Yup, this is one case where programming can't solve a hardware problem.

The electromechanical system isn't operating in a manner capable of dealing with the frictional influence from the floor. That has to change.
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Re: outsmart the friction?!

Thank u guys!! U have been great help ,and yes as a programmer i couldn't think of anything to fix the matter ,now we know better ,we will try lowering the central wheels or perhaps change some of the outsider wheels ....
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