robot touching a stack of bins

[carlye]

say there are 3 stacks of 7 bins on YOUR carpet, and YOUR robot is touching one of the bins in one of the stacks...does the entire stack not count (7 bins) or does only the one bin that the robot is touching not count (and the other 6 do)?

[Rob Colatutto]

the stack does not count, all of it

[Bduggan04]

The whole stack is worth zero. Here is the rule:

SC8 When determining the base score for the alliance, the referees will evaluate the containers
with the following criteria:

A container “in” a Scoring Zone is worth one point. A container will be determined
to be “in” a scoring zone if at least some part of the container is touching the colored
carpet that defines a scoring zone or is supported exclusively by:
· Other containers in that zone;
· An opponent’s robot.

All containers in the tallest stack located in the scoring zone (the “multiplier stack”)
are worth zero points. Containers in additional stacks of the same height will be
scored normally;

!!!!!!!If ANY part of your own alliance’s robots are in contact with ANY container in a
stack (alone or in a multi-container stack), ALL containers in that stack will be worth
zero points;

Opponent robots in contact with containers in the alliance scoring zone will not affect
the determination of the base score;

A container may touch the field border.

[carlye]

thank you Bduggan04 that was a very good answer.

[Antonio]

so say if you had the 3 different stacks each 7 tubs high and say one of the robot is touching one of the stacks, that stack would not qualify as the multiplier, but can it be counted as the base scoring?

[Mike537Strategy]

No, thats what the rules above say. Read the rule that starts with the multiple !s.

[Cory]

If you are touching it AT ALL then it counts fornothing

Cory

[Antonio]

alright thanks

[Mark Garver]

Going to stir things up with this one,

What if you have two stacks of 6 with another box on top of box and the robot is only touching the highest box? Do both stacks of 6 count or only 1? :-)

[JTH]

Here's a situation that follows along the the lines of this discussion.

According to SC8, a container is in the scoring zone if it meets these criteria:

A container “in” a Scoring Zone is worth one point. A container will be determined to be “in” a scoring zone if at least some part of the container is touching the colored carpet that defines a scoring zone or is supported exclusively by:
· Other containers in that zone;
· An opponent’s robot.

So, if an opponent is holding a crate, it can count as a scorable crate. Note that it doesn't differentiate where the box is held, or where the robot is, but the fact that it is entirely supported by the opponent robot makes it worth points.

According to SC9,

Only stacks located “in” a scoring zone (as defined in SC8) are eligible to become
multiplier stacks;
...
Opponent robot contact with a stack will not affect multiplier stack eligibility.

The way that I read it, because a crate being held by the opponent robot can be counted as being in the scoring zone, it can also be counted as a stack. So, if an opponent, anywhere on the field, is carrying a crate 20' in the air at the end of the game, that's a 20' stack for your alliance (15.74 SHU=16x multiplier)!

[Johca_Gaorl]

Originally posted by JTH
So, if an opponent, anywhere on the field, is carrying a crate 20' in the air at the end of the game, that's a 20' stack for your alliance (15.74 SHU=16x multiplier)!

Ahhh! Loopholes! I feel sorry for FIRST...

I would think the opposing robot holding it would only count if they were in your scoring zone.

[JTH]

I would have thought it only counted if the opponent robot is in your scoring zone, or if the box was in the "volume" of your scoring zone. The first few times I read it, that's what I assumed. However, the rule only says that it is entirely supported by the opponent robot for it to count.

[tatsak42]

I think it's just if the opponent is holding it inside your scoring zone. Otherwise, that would be a huge loophole. Say someone was trying to get one extra bin before ending on the top of their 13 stack. But time runs out, they're not touching their bins, and it's being held at a height of 15 bins. Suddenly you get that multiplier of 15? I don't know, but that seems weird.

Maybe they just forgot to retype "in that zone" after the opponents thing

[dlavery]

See Team Update #1. This question is answered in the clarified version of Rule SC8.

-dave

[JTH]

The updated SC8 and SC9 still allows a opponent carried crate to be counted as a stack.

However, the update does mean that the opponent must be "in" your scoring zone. I think this means they are touching your colored carpet.

It would make a very interresting opportunity for pushing up scores if two tall-arm robots are on opposing sides and decide to team up to make huge points for each other. Of course, one side will receive more benefit than the other, but a huge multiplier might to push up your average might be worth it.