2012-Greater Toronto Regional East

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by Bongle

Go to the alternate GTR-East stream on WatchFirstNow.com. The original got taken down by ustream, presumably for restreaming the DJ content.

Thank you. I've been using MadStream from Team 1323. I like the scale it does and watchfirstnow was being mean to me and overlapping and other problems.

[Pjohn1959]

Same thing on that website.

[Bochek]

ON GTR EAST is back up on watchfirstnow.com you will have to refresh the page. We got banned by ustream for copyright infringement.

We have removed the music feed from the stream and added a ambient mic to comply with ustreams policies.

Very sorry for the minor down time, We will continue to post archived matches to youtube at

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...E&feature=plcp

[AlecMataloni]

Okay, I can understand refusal of the coopertition bridge for strategic reasons, but it looked as if there was a team that was (intentionally?) ramming the bridge to prevent another team from getting coopertition points after they were already balanced. I hate using the GP card, but how is that at all Graciously Professional? Obviously the alliance should've made the decision not to balance instead of one member taking it upon themselves to make the balance points void after the decision had already been made.

[Chexposito]

Originally Posted by AlecMataloni

Okay, I can understand refusal of the coopertition bridge for strategic reasons, but it looked as if there was a team that was (intentionally?) ramming the bridge to prevent another team from getting coopertition points after they were already balanced. I hate using the GP card, but how is that at all Graciously Professional? Obviously the alliance should've made the decision not to balance instead of one member taking it upon themselves to make the balance points void after the decision had already been made.

I agree, I feel like there should be a penalty or rule... Of course if I were a top 8 team the team that wasn't competing graciously and professionally I would scratch them off my pick list.

[Ricky Q.]

Originally Posted by AlecMataloni

Okay, I can understand refusal of the coopertition bridge for strategic reasons, but it looked as if there was a team that was (intentionally?) ramming the bridge to prevent another team from getting coopertition points after they were already balanced. I hate using the GP card, but how is that at all Graciously Professional? Obviously the alliance should've made the decision not to balance instead of one member taking it upon themselves to make the balance points void after the decision had already been made.

I saw the same thing and couldn't believe it.

If a team on your alliance has chosen to work with a team on the opposing alliance and go for the co-op balance, it is ridiculous to try and intentionally try and de-balance that bridge.

You have the right to say no and not participate, I don't believe you have the right to try and knock robots off the co-op bridge once they have balanced successfully.

If this continues at other events with other top ranked teams, it should be an interesting season.

[Pat Fairbank]

There's video for the match in question here.

A lot of (presumably) unintended consequences of the Coopertition Bridge have been manifesting at this regional. It's not pretty.

[Racer26]

I have a feeling tuesdays update will address this in the wake of GTRE.

Probably, strategies aimed at debalancing a balanced coop bridhe will be made a red card offence

[EricH]

The robot that targeted the bridge seemed to have been assigned to play defense on 1114, and for most of the match they did it right--get in the way, knock them away from their shooting spot, that sort of thing.

Once 1114 went onto the coopertition bridge, however, they should have backed off. The only thing you can really do there is damage yourself on the bridge, or maybe deny both yourself and your opponent (and your partners) those coopertition points. Maybe if you get really lucky (or unlucky), you get both knocked off and/or damaged--but then you might get into strategies intended to X, and that's risky. Continuing contact like that is not smart.

The blacklist suggestion--well, I probably would, but it wouldn't work on this team. They made it to the top 8.

[Marc S.]

Is there a direct link to the Ustream address to watch the webcast? Watch First Now and the red alliance isn't working for me.

[basicxman]

Originally Posted by Marc S.

Is there a direct link to the Ustream address to watch the webcast? Watch First Now and the red alliance isn't working for me.

What issues are you having with Watch FIRST Now? In either case,

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frc-gtr-east

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by basicxman

What issues are you having with Watch FIRST Now? In either case,

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frc-gtr-east

I'm having issues with all three with the feed stopping every few seconds, and it's the only webcast I'm having the issue with.

[Marc S.]

Originally Posted by basicxman

What issues are you having with Watch FIRST Now? In either case,

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/frc-gtr-east

I am watching on a censored network and the proxy I'm using just completely screw up the sight.

[Chickenonastick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dOh...POCJEP6KoJs%3D

If you watch at 2:15, it looks like the red alliance robot that is balancing with 1114 is actually adjusting their robot's position in order to maintain the balance. Very interesting.

[basicxman]

Originally Posted by Chickenonastick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dOh...POCJEP6KoJs%3D

If you watch at 2:15, it looks like the red alliance robot that is balancing with 1114 is actually adjusting their robot's position in order to maintain the balance. Very interesting.

I can assure you that from the other side of the field it did not look like that.