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Re: Highest score so far?

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Red Alliance 48 Delphi E.L.I.T.E., 2614 MARs, and 375 Robotic Plauge, won Quarters 1 Match 2 74-0.

36 point autonomous with a double balance
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21013371

The last ball of autonomous was counted as only 3 because is landed in the hoop in tele-op. The other 3 points of that shot were added in at the end of the match
The GCD has been clear on the Q&A:

A: Per Rule [G38], the Basketballs are scored as they pass through the Hoop. So, if a Basketball shot during the Hybrid Period passes through the Hoop before the Hybrid Period ends, it will earn the Hybrid bonus of Rule [G39]. If it passes through the Hoop after Hybrid Period ends, it will not earn the Hybrid bonus.

A: Any Basketball that enters the Hoop during the Hybrid period will receive the Hybrid bonus.


Further, the Manual states:
[G06] A Match is 2 minutes and 15 seconds long. The Hybrid period (Hybrid) is the first 15 seconds of the Match. The Teleoperated period (Teleop) is the remaining 2-minute period. Each period ends when the Arena timer displays zero seconds.

If you watch the footage you posted, you'll see that the last ball is not through the hoop when the timer hits zero (not even close), and thus the ball should not have been counted.

This is the case for both corrected/should have been corrected scores that I've seen posted here thus far. (The other being GTR-East QF 3-2; I don't know about Kettering as I can't find a video that displays the timer.) Of course, this is probably a tough call to make from most perspectives, but I hope everyone at least understands the rules. I don't think we can consider Car Nack wrong about the 36 Hybrid points just yet, though.
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If you watch the footage you posted, you'll see that the last ball is not through the hoop when the timer hits zero (not even close), and thus the ball should not have been counted.
At 25s of the posted video, you can see the ball at the base of the net-past the hoop, but not yet caught by the scoring sensor, while the clock is at 0. The feed is a bit choppy around this time, but if you go frame by frame you can see it. When the camera view changes at the beginning of teleop, you can see the head ref signal that it counts as a six point basket.[/derail]

Regardless, this is not the highest scoring match.
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At 25s of the posted video, you can see the ball at the base of the net-past the hoop, but not yet caught by the scoring sensor, while the clock is at 0. The feed is a bit choppy around this time, but if you go frame by frame you can see it. When the camera view changes at the beginning of teleop, you can see the head ref signal that it counts as a six point basket.[/derail]
Do you really? I can easily freeze the screen at ~24s to display the timer at zero and the ball in the air halfway to the hoops. (Remember it's when the timer hits zero, not when the teleop count starts.) I'm not sure how you're getting what you see, but regardless I think we're proving just how hard it is to tell these things. The official ruling stands, of course.


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I haven't checked the match myself but I trust Ether on reporting accurate numbers.
Haha, yes. We've been joking about the prediction of exactly 36 since the score at Rutgers. I should check other results, though.
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Do you really? I can easily freeze the screen at ~24s to display the timer at zero and the ball in the air halfway to the hoops. (Remember it's when the timer hits zero, not when the teleop count starts.) I'm not sure how you're getting what you see, but regardless I think we're proving just how hard it is to tell these things. The official ruling stands, of course.
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You're right, I was going to the start of teleop.
I definitely don't envy the referees that have to make these close calls in a split second, especially if it's in a tight match.
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Re: Highest score so far?

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This is the case for both corrected/should have been corrected scores that I've seen posted here thus far. (The other being GTR-East QF 3-2; I don't know about Kettering as I can't find a video that displays the timer.) Of course, this is probably a tough call to make from most perspectives, but I hope everyone at least understands the rules. I don't think we can consider Car Nack wrong about the 36 Hybrid points just yet, though.
Siri, there was a 36 Hybrid score that was completed before the timer hit the 0 mark. It happened in GTR-East SF 2-1.

I don't know if this is the smoking gun evidence you're looking for, but it's the best I've seen!
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