van door motor ID

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Gary you are correct I am just referring to ARA motors.

[philso]

Thanks again for the advice.

I will see if I can pick up a motor from an ARA scrap yard (and keep/print out appropriate documentation) so that I can be more confident that the LRI will accept it. Otherwise, we may end up running around frantically trying to borrow a legal motor off another team.

[meaubry]

Nate,
Hi - I'm not sure where you found those motor part #'s, but only one of the part numbers matched the list of van door motors that we used on vehicles. I checked all the old BOM's from everyone of the assemblies we ever built, and some of the #'s don't match anything we had on our parts lists. I worked in the engineering organization that invented and sold the PSD to the OEM's and we sourced the motors to the suppliers (Taigene & Valeo) also, until we were sold during the Delphi/GM bankruptcy.

I recall using Valeo motors on the really early PSD drive units @1999/2000 model years, until they were all replaced by Taigene motors, later. I don't recall using Bosch (I will check one more place tomorrow to confirm) - perhaps you may be getting the Window Lift motors mixed up with the PSD motors.

I sent a list of motor part #'s and vehicles used on, to Andy @Andymark, and they posted a note on the bottom of the Van Door motor web page on their site.

Also, keep in mind that the motor is just one part of the PSD Drive Unit, which might be the item the junk yards are pulling off the Vans. It is alot easier to remove the motor, once the entire Drive Unit is removed from the rear quarter of the Van. That also could be why the cost is higher than expected.

Hope this helps,
Mike

[philso]

The first two van door motors that I received were really the whole actuator assembly with a clutch(?), cable reels, cables and pulleys and cost $30 each. One of the motors had a part number off by just one (1) from the part number given on the AndyMark web site so I think that I got the left side motor and AndyMark is selling the right side motor. New from Ford, these assemblies go for $500 for one side and $580 for the other. From Chevrolet, they go for over $800 new. Some scrap yards are charging $175 - $200 for what sounds like the same thing. There are also some scrap yards are offering the whole door but I am not sure whether or not the motor is mounted in the door or if it is mounted in the body of the van.

[Nate Laverdure]

Originally Posted by meaubry

I'm not sure where you found those motor part #'s... perhaps you may be getting the Window Lift motors mixed up with the PSD motors.

Thanks for your help and for checking my list against all your resources! This revised list should now reflect the historical documentation published by FIRST:

Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure

The van door motors provided in pre-2012 KOPs are:

• 2008: Taigene 16640238 *incorrectly labeled in the KOP Checklist as a window motor; this is supported by other documentation
• 2006: Bosch 16636815
• 2005: Taigene
• 2004: Taigene
• 2003: Bosch (specs)
• 2000: something
• 1999: Taigene and Bosch
• 1998: something

I'm not sure why we have a discrepancy with the 2008 part number. It's an honor to talk to you about it though!

[meaubry]

Nate and others -
I stand corrected, we did use Bosch motors for Power Sliding Doors, back in the early days.

My other resource confirmed that the 16636815 is a Bosch motor. 16640238 is a good part number and it was used on the 1998 M Van (Ext Wheel base only) a different motor part # was used on the regular wheel base, RH & LH sides and that part # was 16642739.

16644829 is a Taigene motor that was used in production for only a very short period of time, after which it was replaced with a different motor that had improved EMC suppression capability. It was used on the GM Van PSD.
One of the problems with trying to find old part #'s that match kit parts, is the motors donated for the kits do not necessarily match up year wise. A 1999 Kit motor was from a previous year vehicle, a 2008 Kit motor was from some previous year vehicle application - so, it gets a bit tricky.

Also, another key important thing to remember is that the part # of the motor in the kit may have only been used in production for a very short period of time (and this is also true of the window lift and other motors). Changes occur on a regular basis, so if you are looking for a specific part number for a motor, do not get too upset if the vehicle listed doesn't have that specific part number. Changes based on government regulations, or warrenty, or product improvements require re-identification and that happens on a pretty regular basis.

The motors donated for the Kits were most likely obsoleted motors that had been supeceded by an improved version.

I hope this helps,
Mike