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Re: Referees and Human Players
Volunteer coordinators were explicitly told to have five referees and one head referee - no more, no less.
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Incidentally, the head referee is entitled to rely upon information from sources other than referees, per [T13]. So even if an event can't station a true referee there, they could theoretically have another trusted, competent volunteer relay notice of the infractions observed. This could be useful in terms of catching coaches operating robots, or illegal human player shots. |
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I did notice the refs notify the human players several times, including during matches, why they had incurred fouls. |
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I've always worked under the assumption that I'm not supposed to try to correct people during matches, but after a match I definitely go to teams that incur a lot of penalties and tell them what they were doing wrong.
And Adam, was that the match with the line penalties or the one where the human player was wearing the coach button? Because that was another match with over 20 points in penalties. But that was a qualification match, I believe. Just another thing to check before your matches. Wear the right button please oh please. |
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I just felt really bad for him, since he obviously wasn't taught how to inbound the ball effectively, nor was he paying any attention to the line. The ref behind him would hold his hand up in the air everytime he crossed the line and the ref at the penalty station would input the foul...but never was there an indication to the student or the alliance that multiple fouls were occurring. I agree with Richard that the responsibility is 100% on the coach to teach and correct this type of behavior, but in this instance I don't think anyone on that side of the glass knew fouls were occurring. Just seems like a flag should be raised and pointed at the offending human player or something, so we (drive team and coaches) know what's going on during the match. |
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The refs at GTR east seemed to notice the human players [me included (whoops)] step over the line and take balls during hybrid fairly often. It was so common, that if my memory serves me well, the MC specifically mentioned these 2 common fouls on friday at lunch. After that, the number of human player fouls reduced from slim to none.
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The problem is, the refs who can normally see this happen and are calling these are standing in a line pretty much parallel to the drivers, so when we do this (At least that's what I always try to do, point at the offending person that is) they don't necessarily see. The field is not idealized for reffing this year, unfortunately.
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This statement is a bit disturbing to me, are you saying that there was more than the standard 4 ref 1 head ref configuration in this match?
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Yes there was. I didn't know that we weren't supposed to do this I guess. At Kettering and Northville this year, we were fortunate enough to have 2 extra certified referees on staff. So during eliminations we put the two extras behind the player stations to watch for human fouls. I was the one who suggested this, and I apologize if this was somehow against the rules. I don't see how this is really an issue, we made an executive decision to help us make sure the matches stayed clean. But if there is something against this I was unaware.
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There's certainly validity to that idea, but I think that overall, if better enforcement (relative to the rulebook) is the result, the change in officiating practice is justifiable. After all, it's hard for a team to credibly argue that just because they got away with a violation before, they should get away with it again.
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Tristan, you know that robot inspectors hear that kind of argument from teams all the time! One of my favorite changes to the manual for 2012 is the prohibition on questioning referee calls for simple fouls.
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Mine too. Of course I'm also not a big believer in "instant replay" either; but that's another story. The players are human (or robots) and make mistakes -- so do the referees, umpires and judges of the world. So sometimes calls will get missed -- get over it. It's part of being gracious and professional.
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