2012 Greater Toronto Regional West

[Racer26]

Or both, if say 188/907 can take them.both out.

[David13]

Congratulations 3161 on making history! Good luck in eliminations!

[Racer26]

I think the unintended meta coopertating, and the effect of the triple balance has made rebound rumble the most balanced game in my 10 years of FRC. The powerhouses still have to work really hard to secure victory

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

EDIT: No one tried to balance with 1114. I don't know what to say. The teams were perfectly entitled to do it, but it's not something I personally like to see.

I'd say it was fine strategy - none of the 3 opposing teams had much to gain from 2QPs (it wouldn't have moved any of them into a picking position), but they gained from the splitting of 1114 and 2056 since it means there might be 2-3 viable elimination alliances on which they could be 2nd or 3rd robots, rather than the 1 viable elimination alliance of 1114/2056. I just hope they told 1114 ahead of time their plans, rather than leaving 1114 at the altar like what appears to have happened*.

*Although that is just speculation - even if they told 1114 that they weren't going to cooperate ahead of time, it would still make sense for 1114 to get on the bridge once the outcome wasn't in doubt just in case one of them changed their mind.

Even if they don't get selected, they get to watch the sweet fireworks that will be a competitive elimination round in Ontario. We haven't had one of those since 2009.

[George Nishimura]

There are plenty of great shooters at GTR-W, I think 1114 might reject 3161 [if offered]. The question is whether they pick 2056 next just to protect against the potential alliance, or they go for another shooter, maybe a triple balance team...

[Racer26]

Nah 3161 asks 2056 first, then 1114.

[lemiant]

EDIT: Ok so this is what I'm guessing for the top 4 alliances:
3161/2056
1114/188
1241/907
1310/1334

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

There are plenty of great shooters at GTR-W, I think 1114 might reject 3161 [if offered]. The question is whether they pick 2056 next just to protect against the potential alliance, or they go for another shooter, maybe a triple balance team...

3161 is actually ranked 11th in the global OPR rankings (that's three spots below 1114), so theoretically they are definitely good enough to be first seed (and to be accepted by 1114).
I think they will definitely ask both 1114/2056 before moving on, just by reflex. (Because otherwise ranking first was worthless).

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by lemiant

3161 is actually ranked 11th in the global OPR rankings (that's three spots below 1114), so theoretically they are definitely good enough to be first seed (and to be accepted by 1114).
I think they will definitely ask both 1114/2056 before moving on, just by reflex. (Because otherwise ranking first was worthless).

There are a lot of great teams, which is why elims was always going to be interesting whether 1114 was first or not. 2056 have a stinger-like thing, and I do think 3161 will also ask one/both because it's too big a risk not too, but I would have fancied another one of these potential alliances to take on a 1114/2056 alliance, especially if they could triple balance.

Just to re-iterate, what happened in the last match does not clearly violate any FIRST value, and 3161 earned their first place by co-oping in every single match, but personally it would leave a bad taste in my mouth if our team had refused to co-op.

3161 and 1114 together. Ooh interesting.

[PayneTrain]

1114 took the offer as they should have. That will give them the best chance to win.
OP may be playing with fire by settling for 7th, but we'll see.

[George Nishimura]

I don't remember 4001, but with 2056's 'stinger' are they building a triple team?

But these elims are shaping up very nicely.

[Racer26]

I'm having a hard time with 2056 declining 1241 from so low. I think the previous commenter is correct, they're playing with fire.

I'm a little surprised 1114 didnt decline 3161 because of their elims performance suffering from defense.

[Nick Lawrence]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

I'm having a hard time with 2056 declining 1241 from so low. I think the previous commenter is correct, they're playing with fire.

I'm a little surprised 1114 didnt decline 3161 because of their elims performance suffering from defense.

It looks like 2056 built themselves a 2 wide bot alliance.

Guess they're gonna score like mad then triple balance. it could take them to the finals.

-Nick

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

I'm having a hard time with 2056 declining 1241 from so low. I think the previous commenter is correct, they're playing with fire.

I'm a little surprised 1114 didnt decline 3161 because of their elims performance suffering from defense.

It's a pure numbers play. 1114 knows from Waterloo that you cna just shove basket points down the other alliances' throats and they can't recover. Two of the highest global OPRs on the same team must be unstoppable, even against wellcoordinated defense.

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence

It looks like 2056 built themselves a 2 wide bot alliance.

Guess they're gonna score like mad then triple balance. it could take them to the finals.

-Nick

It could win them the regional. Anyone know anything about 1075 [188's first pick]? Are we going to have a triple balance face-off QF?

I think 1114 played it safe. They are still favorites.

[Bongle]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

It's a pure numbers play. 1114 knows from Waterloo that you cna just shove basket points down the other alliances' throats and they can't recover. Two of the highest global OPRs on the same team must be unstoppable, even against wellcoordinated defense.

3161 and 3683 last week were on the same alliance (combined alliance OPR: 57, compared to 1114/2056 with 63), and were taken out by the #6 alliance (combined alliance OPR: 20ish) in the quarterfinals. Despite me being the OPRNet maintainer, I gotta say OPR isn't everything.

If the opposition sends a defenderbot to fiddle with ball pickup and get in 3161's way, then the #1 alliance will probably be down to just 1114 scoring. If the defender bot then manages to impede them from bridging, it could be 2 bots to 1 balanced (this strategy is what happened in waterloo quarterfinals last week).

These eliminations are going to be sooo good. I'm hoping for 1114 vs 2056 in the finals, that'd be epic. 2056 will have a tough battle getting through 188 though.