2012 Greater Toronto Regional West

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by hammerhead_399

Congrats to the winning alliance. That was incredible.

Though I am really happy for 2056 keeping their record, I would have like to see them beat 1114 in a match where both alliances were at their best. Not with a robot tipped and one dead.

Still, what a set of exciting finals matches.

To be fair to 2056/4001/2200, they did win one match where everything was square.

But yes, it would have been more exciting to see everything fully functioning.

[Starke]

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

And 1114 died towards the end didn't they, or am I misremembering?

1114 died right after hybrid. Might have even been during hybrid.

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by Starke

1114 died right after hybrid. Might have even been during hybrid.

I see. Cheers for the correction.

Originally Posted by thefro526

Before the balance, 1114's alliance was up at least 9 points... Then 1114's alliance missed the triple balance due to the end robot tipping off the bridge.

IMO, nothing against 2056, 1114 is the better of the two. 2056's game was nearly exclusively fender, which looking at other events isn't always a good strategy during elims whereas 1114's key shot is on the money along with their autonomous, or so it appeared.

In any case, those F1 may have been one of the most epic matches of 2012.

1114's alliance didn't balance and 2056 alliance did. Fair game in my opinion, the triple will always risk a tip. I agree that I think their alliance was the stronger one [I think a lot of the 9 points came from the hybrid difference], but at the same time they played no defence on 2056, which surprised me.

I also thought 1114 is a stronger robot than 2056, although I'm not so sure about that anymore. They're pretty close.

To weigh the two: 2056 can score from the key, they did it in one of the elims. I'm not so sure how accurate they are, but the time I saw they banked all the balls. 2056 also has a multi-ball auto if they use it, I haven't yet seen 1114 use one but they might also have it. 2056 however is slightly slower at shooting/getting in to position, and sometimes balls spill out from their robot when they drive around. Also, 1114 are better at balancing and co-op balancing, partly due to their claw mechanism. I think 1114 is a better qualification match bot, but it's close when it comes to elims.

As I said, I think that's the first time they've faced off this season [in qualis] where 1114 lost.

But they're frighteningly good robots, and what someone said about the quality in Canada is true. This is the first year where I've properly watched other regionals, and there are some seriously strong teams in Canada.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

To be fair to 2056/4001/2200, they did win one match where everything was square.

Before the balance, 1114's alliance was up at least 9 points... Then 1114's alliance missed the triple balance due to the end robot tipping off the bridge.

IMO, nothing against 2056, 1114 is the better of the two. 2056's game was nearly exclusively fender, which looking at other events isn't always a good strategy during elims whereas 1114's key shot is on the money along with their autonomous, or so it appeared.

In any case, those F1 may have been one of the most epic matches of 2012.

[EpicLegacy]

Originally Posted by thefro526

Before the balance, 1114's alliance was up at least 9 points... Then 1114's alliance missed the triple balance due to the end robot tipping off the bridge.

IMO, nothing against 2056, 1114 is the better of the two. 2056's game was nearly exclusively fender, which looking at other events isn't always a good strategy during elims whereas 1114's key shot is on the money along with their autonomous, or so it appeared.

In any case, those F1 may have been one of the most epic matches of 2012.

I agree with 1114 being the better team overall as they were the 1st seed at both GTR east and Waterloo and very close at this event. However the only thing I have to point out is although 2056 is shooting mostly from the fender they have the ability to shoot from the key according to their specs on their website http://www.2056.ca/robot/general-lee.

and yes I agree the 1st match of those finals is the best match I have seen.