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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

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639 had a great time at our first DC regional!

*snip*

We do have a few criticisms of the event. I was trying to decide whether or not to post them, but I'll preface this with the fact that my goal is to be constructive rather than insulting:
  • Not having internet at the arena was a huge issue for our team, as our entire scouting system relies on internet access to get to our database. Tethering phones is not a good enough solution. I understand that it is a convention center, but at the Fingerlakes regional, the planning committee provides the teams with a temproray login to the RIT network. I feel like a similar thing could be planned for, with a team login to to the convention center net. In the future, we will be checking at regionals for those that have internet, and not attending those that don't.
  • On the same subject, the lack of power in the stands was an inconvenience, but definitely understandable, because there really was no way to provide power to them.
  • The refs missed or made the wrong call a more than a few times. There was an incident where, during a double balance, one of the robots fell off and was touching the barrier. Instead of counting the bots as none balanced, the team got 10 points for the one robot fully supported. We also noticed quite a few instances of robots possessing 4 balls that were not penalized. That said, the crew was great and overall did a fantastic job all weekend.

*snip*

In the neutral category, does anyone know why there were three field faults called over the course of the event? They replayed two qualification matches and a semifinal, even though it seemed to me that all robots were functional in that semifinal. Also, we noticed 1218 intermittently losing connection during the last final match. I wonder why a fault wasn't called on that one when there was such a history of them being called before?


Onwards to St. Louis! We hope to see everyone who qualified in DC in a few weeks!
RE: missing calls. I was volunteering at the event and noticed a few botched calls. As I was behind the player's station, I mostly noticed the ones happening back there. There were a few times when balls simply sat in the corral for 10-15 seconds and even a few instances of teams having more than one inbounder. I know it's hard for the refs to keep an eye on the stuff going on back there, but that was slightly concerning.

As for the field faults...a robot having intermittent connection with the field is not cause for replaying a match unless the issue is on the FMS side. The FTAs are the ones who handle this. I am guessing this is why those two qualification matches were replayed--robots had connectivity issues that were the FMS's fault and not theirs. In the semifinals, the match was restarted because the red alliance clogged up their goal and shots that would have gone in were bouncing out. This also happened at times in 2006 when the field would be unable to keep up with the shots pouring into the higher goal. This was not the fault of the teams involved as the field crew is responsible for clearing the nets should balls get caught. The inability to do this in a timely fashion caused the teams from losing out on points, again, by no error of their own.
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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

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...and even a few instances of teams having more than one inbounder.
Could you please elaborate on the issue here?
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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

Team 612 would like to send out a special thank you to teams 1646 and 1747. Although our partnership in the playoffs was brief, it was still a lot of fun working with all of you. We gave the #1 seed everything we had, but that triple balance isn't easy . Good luck to your teams in the future, and I hope our teams cross paths again.
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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

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Could you please elaborate on the issue here?
-Duke
Section 2.2.3 of the game manual:
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Each FRC team may provide up to four Players for each Match: two Drivers, one Inbounder, and one Coach. The Drivers must be pre-college student team members and are responsible for operating and controlling the Robot. The Inbounders must be pre-college student team members and are responsible for entering Basketballs onto the Court. The Coach may be a student or adult team member. The Coach must wear the designated “Coach” pin or button during the Match.
And <G31>
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Only Inbounders may contact Basketballs; each Inbounder may hold a maximum of two Basketballs. During Teleop, Inbounders must remove Basketballs from the Corral immediately upon arrival. All Basketballs in the Alliance Station must be held by Inbounders once removed from the Corral.
Violation: Foul
Edit: you guys had a pretty awesome inbounder, by the way (not to mention overall a great team and robot). I saw him hit quite a few shots throughout the event.
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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

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Section 2.2.3 of the game manual:


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Edit: you guys had a pretty awesome inbounder, by the way (not to mention overall a great team and robot). I saw him hit quite a few shots throughout the event.
I was the human player
I also had a lot of shots that just clanked off the front rim

Oh, so you're saying multiple members of one team acted as Inbounders? At first i thought you meant you couldn't have the three human players inbounding basketballs. Interesting, i never noticed that, but i didn't get to watch a ton of matches.
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Re: 2012 Washington DC Regional

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I was the human player
I also had a lot of shots that just clanked off the front rim
Nice! I was working behind the red alliance player station. You were one of the better ones out there this weekend that I saw!
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Oh, so you're saying multiple members of one team acted as Inbounders? At first i thought you meant you couldn't have the three human players inbounding basketballs. Interesting, i never noticed that, but i didn't get to watch a ton of matches.
-Duke
This actually is not surprising as I have seen many teams playing it fast and loose with rules at several events. I actually caught a guy with a media pass go right up to a drive team during a match and start barking orders to them. I told him to go back and sit down. Looking back I should have just taken the pass from him and had him removed from the field.
Most of the teams that do this are lower end teams who obviously do not bother to read the rules so do things like bring whole entourages to the field (one team at Montreal to combat my stopping them bringing too many people onto the field due to a lack of driver button gave four extra driver buttons from a previous regional to other member so they could bring eight people onto the field) to having the wrong buttons (or even outright losing them) to having too many people handling the balls.
All these antics due is cause more work for already stressed out volunteers and it's neither funny or endearing. It's just stupid and unnecessary.
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