Rookie Teams in Elims

[ErikEdhlund]

This really is an issue that comes up each year. It really comes down to who is scouting and exactly what they are looking for in Alliance partners. As someone had pointed out earlier, it really depends on who is scouting and what do they need to take home the win. For anyone who was watching the Minnesota North Star Regional, we had decided to pick rookie team 4226 to be our second pick due to their ability to play defense, tilt the alliance bridge, and balance consistently. They had no ability to score outside of balancing, but they were able to do exactly what we wanted since we already had 2 strong scoring robots. We had looked for the team that would best fit our strategy and it really paid off. The key thing that everyone should really learn is that the first pick is always the easiest to figure out, it is that second one that could make a good alliance the winning alliance.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by ksafin

Team 3992 was chosen in elims during the South Florida Regional by 1557, and joined by 179.

I don't know whether it was a scouting problem or not, but among the 12 rookies at our regional, only us and 3932 were in elims. Then again, I can't say a lot of the other rookie bots were major forces, or consistent.

We were pretty darn good at balancing.

Maaan am I lucky for picking 79, 3992 AND 3932 then for the event's Fantasy draft.

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[Garten Haeska]

Originally Posted by Dr Theta

Despite not ultimately being in a picking position at the end of saturday we did far more scouting this year than we have in the past. You guys were definitely not below our radar, I don't have our scouting sheets on me off hand, but you were definitely in our top ten. We also had the pleasure of playing with you in the very first match on friday. Hopefully we can get together again in the future.

Sounds delightful

[loyal]

4055 was a rookie in Hartford and we owned the bridges ranked 22 and had 16 cp. At first we thought we might have a shot at being picked because of our bridge work. We were incorrect. We realized that its not because we were a rookie, it was because we did not have what the other teams need. We did how every learn what was need and will make improvements to our robot so that when we are in Missouri we will have a better chance of being picked. I would like to say that any team even a rookie would be picked if it help for the win.

[Ariful]

Originally Posted by Alexa Stott

Again, were you able to balance in every match? Did you have any issues with your robot at the event? How long did it take you to balance? How consistent were you in auto? Did you ever have any issues not showing up to the field on time, missing matches (due to the robot not working or because you hadn't passed inspection)?

I wasn't at the event and haven't seen any match video so I can't really speak specifically about your robot, but it's really hard for us all here to judge without all the information. Being seeded 11th doesn't really mean anything to me. There are teams that sometimes get carried all the way into the top 8 by getting paired up with good robots every match. I'm not saying this is the case with you because I don't know the facts.

I've also seen you posting in other places about not getting picked. Well, it happens. It's fine to ask for advice on what sorts of things the teams in picking position were looking for. But most of the posts I've seen by you have just been reiterating the point that you really think you should've been picked. You just keep parrotting "We were 11th seed and could double balance." That's fine and dandy, but doesn't really add to the conversation very much and it gets irritating to check back on this thread to see that you're in here again complaining about not being picked.

Am I being a bit harsh? Maybe. But one of the thing that really bothers me about CD is that some people come on here largely to just toot their own horns and highlight their own team.

Ah, no you are right! I have been complaining too much, I Am just thinking of all the things our robot could have done to get picked..strategy wise...Anyways, seeding doesnt matter much... I learned that this year :/.. I gotta go do a review of this years season.

I thought CD was the place where we could come on and toot our horns and highlight our own team XD, but leaving that aside, UI Really like the discussions on why teams thought they did not get picked...

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by ErikEdhlund

The key thing that everyone should really learn is that the first pick is always the easiest to figure out, it is that second one that could make a good alliance the winning alliance.

THAT'S the truth. We're either getting better at this, or just got lucky in our last three tournaments -- all of which we were seeded 1st, meaning we got the last pick, and all of which we won. btw, at KC this year we picked a 2nd-year team, and at St. Louis we picked a rookie. Both of whom did exactly what the alliance needed from them; they were great picks.

Of course, we prefer to think we're getting better at scouting. We may not be as sophisticated as some teams' scouting, but what we do works for us, and the results seem to be OK.

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by Ariful

Anyways, seeding doesnt matter much... I learned that this year :/

I hope you can take that one step farther and realize that unless you're an alliance captain, seeding doesn't matter *at all*.

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by pfreivald

I hope you can take that one step farther and realize that unless you're an alliance captain, seeding doesn't matter *at all*.

Or just under!

Theres a been a few times where we'd have been a great 3rd bot but there was just enough in-picking to bump us up to 8th seed captain

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by BigJ

Or just under!

Theres a been a few times where we'd have been a great 3rd bot but there was just enough in-picking to bump us up to 8th seed captain

...in which case you're an alliance captain! ^2