2012 MSC

[Joe J.]

Lightning Robotics is excited to be a part of this awesome event!

Few of our students made this promo video for our pit display: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbxK3oM1LT0

[Wayne TenBrink]

The NC Gears are just happy that our check finally cleared at FIRST HQ and now we actually show up on the roster of teams!

Every team at MSC should be capable of tipping the bridge and balancing. I foresee a lot of triple doubles, with basket scoring once again determining matches. Hybrid will be huge. Be flexible on your setup, movements, and timing to avoid clashing with your partners. I expect defense will be a much bigger factor than it was at district events, where the non-scorers were often also non-bridge crossers and therefore unable to play defense. Creatively driven, wide defense bots that have good hybrid and don't collect fouls will valuable picks for elims.

Its going to be fun to watch and an honor to participate.

[ChristopherSD]

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink

I expect defense will be a much bigger factor than it was at district events

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by ChristopherSD

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Not to derail, but what were all those penalties for?

[pathew100]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

Not to derail, but what were all those penalties for?

Probably for transitory contact with the key. If the two blue robots were touching each other and one was touching the key, both are considered to be protected.

[pathew100]

Originally Posted by ChristopherSD

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Which is why we (FRC 862) chose to build our fender bot with a "sideways" shooter. So we can use the drivetrain to push back and get into position. Worked pretty well at Livonia when there was some tough defense played on us in elims. See the video from post #16 for some highlights.

Should be a great competition. Can't wait!

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by pathew100

Probably for transitory contact with the key. If the two blue robots were touching each other and one was touching the key, both are considered to be protected.

I don't believe there's any such thing as transitory contact. It appeared to be [G27]s on 548. Deliberate or damaging contact inside the frame perimeter.

[Bjenks548]

Originally Posted by ChristopherSD

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Don't worry about us, we've made massive shooting changes if there's a defender anywhere close. Also I am extremely excited for MSC, I don't see one team on the list that isn't scary in some aspect!

[Paul Copioli]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

I don't believe there's any such thing as transitory contact. It appeared to be [G27]s on 548. Deliberate or damaging contact inside the frame perimeter.

Yes Jack is right. The offensive robot got the penalties (three technicals) for damaging contact inside the bumper perimeter. It was one of the most ridiculous calls I have seen at a FIRST event. And yes, we let the head referee know how we felt at the time. Since the outcome would not have changed due to the penalties, we decided to not bring out the rule book. I will definitely have some questions for the ref crew at MSC during the driver's meeting.

[JABot67]

So, is there any video footage of the good West Michigan teams in action? I haven't seen good West Michigan robot action since the videos of 1918 and 85 in week 1. Granted I haven't looked very hard. But I'd love some to watch some videos of 85, 107, 141, 1918, 2054, 2474, 2767, 3234, 3357, 4003, and all the other West Michigan teams!

[Joe Ross]

Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (with 12 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest adjusted opr at any event for their contribution to a match, based on Ed Law's data. I calculated the results for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Since the standings are much more complicated this year, I did not try to calculate the standings. This is only the contribution of w-l-t to the qualification score (eg 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, no points for a loss).

Everyone should attend Karthik's presentation where he covers "Why 'OPR' is a flawed indicator in Rebound Rumble".

	OPR	Average	Median	Mode	Min	Max	StDev
67	39.33	21.75	22	22	16	24	1.86
469	36.28	21.01	21.5	22	16	24	2.09
2474	34.73	20.71	21	22	16	24	2.02
548	33.12	19.74	20	20	12	24	2.39
3322	28.87	17.895	18	18	10	24	2.81
27	28.44	17.875	18	18	11	24	2.79
217	28.12	17.55	18	18	10	24	2.58
1023	27.54	17.555	18	18	10	24	2.76
1918	25.76	16.58	16.5	18	8	22	2.85
1718	25.64	16.515	16	18	10	23	2.55
3539	25.54	16.6	17	18	8	24	2.85
862	23.70	15.47	16	16	6	22	2.88
51	23.52	15.36	16	16	6	22	3.05
2337	22.40	14.565	14	14	6	21	2.85
2137	21.70	14.39	14	14	6	22	3.05
1684	20.96	13.95	14	14	6	24	3.01
2054	20.89	14.06	14	14	7	23	3.07
33	20.42	13.125	13	14	6	20	2.84
573	19.77	13.78	14	14	6	22	3.02
70	19.57	13.25	14	14	5	20	2.90
302	19.25	13.025	13	12	6	20	3.05
3234	19.14	13	13	14	6	20	2.99
123	18.45	12.095	12	12	2	20	3.01
858	18.41	12	12	12	3	20	3.08
2767	17.90	12.215	12	14	6	22	3.01
226	17.77	11.825	12	12	4	19	3.15
107	17.62	12.135	12	12	5	20	2.97
308	17.52	12.405	12	12	4	20	2.99
2834	17.24	11.755	12	12	4	22	2.95
314	17.09	11.495	12	12	4	18	2.87
2959	16.98	11.495	12	12	2	20	3.04
2000	16.36	10.74	10.5	12	4	20	3.01
245	16.08	10.98	11	10	4	17	2.86
85	15.88	11.35	12	12	2	20	3.12
3618	15.33	10.635	10	10	2	18	3.18
3546	15.13	10.545	10	12	4	18	2.98
247	15.09	10.415	10	10	4	18	2.97
830	15.06	10.355	10	12	2	20	3.16
240	15.00	10.305	10	10	4	18	2.87
3568	14.65	10.47	10	10	4	18	3.06
904	14.58	10.45	10	10	2	18	2.85
2851	14.37	9.92	10	10	2	18	2.88
3098	13.81	10.16	10	10	2	18	3.06
1025	13.78	9.855	10	10	4	20	2.83
3572	13.45	9.715	10	10	2	18	3.00
2591	12.94	9.365	10	10	0	18	2.93
201	12.85	9.13	10	10	1	18	3.29
4294	12.03	9.01	9	10	2	16	2.92
66	11.62	8.94	9	10	0	17	2.87
1504	11.56	9.115	9	8	2	18	2.73
494	11.16	8.455	8	8	2	14	2.62
503	11.11	8.3	8	8	0	15	2.67
3601	10.46	7.815	8	8	0	16	2.82
4003	10.14	7.365	7	6	0	16	2.78
141	9.09	7.72	8	8	2	14	2.99
3538	7.99	6.945	7	8	0	16	2.95
3537	7.91	6.91	6	6	0	14	2.71
3617	6.76	6.125	6	6	0	15	2.95
1711	6.52	6.06	6	6	0	15	2.59
3656	6.49	5.81	6	6	0	14	2.71
3509	2.37	3.865	4	2	0	12	2.41

[MagiChau]

Originally Posted by JABot67

So, is there any video footage of the good West Michigan teams in action? I haven't seen good West Michigan robot action since the videos of 1918 and 85 in week 1. Granted I haven't looked very hard. But I'd love some to watch some videos of 85, 107, 141, 1918, 2054, 2474, 2767, 3234, 3357, 4003, and all the other West Michigan teams!

Our mentor with the shiny SLR camera has HQ footage of West Michigan. It focuses on BOB though so you don't see as much of the other robots.

3546 has some footage of their alliance in the finals match 2 and 3.

Team 3546 channel containing Final Match 2 & 3
http://www.youtube.com/user/GHteam3546

Team 85 Playlist of West Michigan Videos
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...2&feature=plcp

[washedout]

Field appears to be set.

Variations from Ed's list of 64 qualifiers:
No 3357
No 703
Add 2586
Add 904

[Carolyn_Grace]

Just a heads up to everyone attending MSC!

There will be a Non-Engineering Mentors Organization (NEMO) Gathering after Opening Ceremonies on Saturday!
This gathering is for any mentors who handle any of the Non-Engineering tasks that are needed to manage FIRST teams.
This can be anything that does not have to do with robot design and build: like Awards submissions, business plans, sponsorship and fundraising, chaperoning, planning trips, organizing food and calendars...etc.

We will network and share information to help improve our teams as well as FiM and FIRST overall.

If your team is attending MSC, please send a representative to this meeting. It will be a great way to find out about non-Engineering resources from each other.

My goal is to have everyone leave with at least 3 new contacts/friends!

(I will not be passing out fliers to advertise this , so please spread the news by word of mouth!)

[P.J.]

Originally Posted by Carolyn_Grace

If your team is attending MSC, please send a representative to this meeting.

What if our team is not attending MSC but we will be there as spectators? Can we still attend? Just out of curiosity.