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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

I'd have pushed for the CADder-in-chief to more closely follow the working prototypes demonstrated by the design subgroups, instead of freshly designing everything for the competition 'bot according to his own ideas.

Going along with that, I wish I were in a position where I could insist on a student being in charge of CAD.
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

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In terms of the robot, Fat Swan 2.0 would have the following changes:
- Same overall shooter design (single axles, dual wheel, 2 position pnuematic hood)
- Slightly shorter chassis, small robot, still "long" configuration ~30"x24"
- Full bumper coverage, mounted as low as possible
- Single speed drive, geared 8-10fps, 8wd, Colsons, brakes
- Shorter overall height
- Over bumper pneumatic collector/bridge manipulator with pneumatic "Stingers" (like a 228/971 combo)
- CG balanced heavily opposite the collector
* Shoot opposite from intake (one of our biggest mistakes)
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

Enforcing our weight safety factor much stricter

Avoid two side pickup, (took one off to help make weight)

Tank drive instead of mecanum (could actually drive up ramp fine, but could not help another robot up or "control" a multi-bot balance)

Move the build season one week forward (too much discussion)

Have mass to add a stinger once we saw 33 and 148 in action
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

Looking back I wish the team could have

Removed upper conveyer

move shooter to top of bot

made the frame smaller
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

In 14 years of competing we finally have a short list of "coulda, shoulda, woulda's"
We have: low cg (34" high bot)
single wheel shooter/adjustable hood/rotating turret
shooter opposite intake
heavily weighted opposite intake (70%)
stinger for triple balance
a decent tipper --it works well, but it takes about 3-5 sec to get on a bridge. If we had our druthers, we'd prefer to be able to drop a better wedge and run at 3-5 fps right onto the bridge.
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

I wish I hadn't been so willing to give up on what I knew would work, but hey, one person can't (and perhaps shouldn't) force everyone to do things his way.

I wish we had formed a subteam to build a bridge manipulator.

I wish we had finished our shooter earlier so we could have actually tested it to be able to improve compression, put on only one set of wheels, etc

I wish our collector fed directly into the shooter.

Non-essential but I wish we had designed a stinger, a drop down collector, and put less emphasis on being able to drive over the barrier, which we were not able to do anyway once everything was assembled.

I wish we had built real bridges to test with. rather than light plywood ones.

Additionally, we had considered a wider ball collector, but did not think we would be able to prevent jamming. I'm not really sure how teams were able to do this, could someone who did it well explain their design? Thanks.
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

This thread seems to be (as one would expect) dominated by teams who didn't do very well and/or underperformed.

As we all know, everyone can improve and continuously get better. I wonder if any of the "Elites" would weigh in to this discussion on things they wish they had done better or focused on more.
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

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This thread seems to be (as one would expect) dominated by teams who didn't do very well and/or underperformed.

As we all know, everyone can improve and continuously get better. I wonder if any of the "Elites" would weigh in to this discussion on things they wish they had done better or focused on more.
Some of the elite teams i talked to at central valley have already fixed what they did not like about their robot. Especially in regards to stingers.
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If you get the chance, just walk up to them in the Pits (Provided they're not busy), snag a student, and talk to them. That's what I did in KC and I learned quite a bit about the Lee's Summit triple alliance (1986, 1730, and 1987 for those outside this region). They're more than happy to talk, reflect, and help you improve. It must be lonely at the top...
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

Our team could have/should have/would have (in my opinion):

Not used a claw (We got the idea of a multi tool over the bumper collector... we used a claw instead of a conveyor, and a pulley system that was really too weak/fast to be effective. We also ran into issues with getting the claw to open/close because there was an issue with the encoder)

Removed the motor on the top wheel (We have a dual axel system that shoots pretty consistently, there's just a motor sitting there that we could have used somewhere else)

Done everything faster so we had more time with vision tracking (The vision tracking program got done, but was never implemented due to time restrictions)

Not used a four wheel tank drive with high traction wheels and a really tight chain (For the practice matches, we had a lot of trouble manuvering)

Built an actual bridge

Chosen our drivers before build season (We ended up choosing drivers at the actual competition because we simply ran out of time to have try outs)

Built a test robot with the same drive train

However, we did do a couple things that I liked, such as having a low center of gravity and a really small/light robot (dimensions: 27 in x27 in, height:37 in, weight with out battery/bumpers:91 lb) among other things

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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

Make our shooter better in autonomous and more accurate in general.
Besides that though i was very pleased with our stacking capability, and the recognition that came with that.
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Re: Turning back the clock 2012

-Over the bump or 973, 1323, and 2415 collector system
-Higher gearing on our pickup and less on our elevator
-1/16 thick Al tube on our superstructure instead of 1/8 so that we could have enough wait for our perfectly working bridge manipulator
-Faster gearing on our shooter
-The shooter hood that 973 gave us for elims
-Stinger
-Fully working practice bot
-More Practice time

It really was our best robot so far, but just some things that could have happened
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